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Handicap strokes in Match Play
Jason Patterson
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When my wife and I play golf, we use the USGA calculator to determine how many strokes I am giving her for the round in stroke play. She's around a 28 and I'm around a 22. Since she plays the ladies tees, she usually gets around 3-4 strokes depending on the slope of each of our tees.

After watching the Accenture match play tournement this weekend we are talking about playing match play the next time we go out. Here is my question:

Assuming, based on the slope of each of our tees, she gets 4 strokes. My understanding is that in match play she would get 1 stroke on each of the four hardest holes. Here's where it gets complicated, the handicap rating of holes differs for ladies and men. Does she get a stroke on the four hardest ladies holes or am I giving up the strokes on the four hardest mens holes?

Thanks in advance for the help.
ArizonaBlue
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# 1    2/28/2012 11:06:15 PM   
She would get the strokes on the four hardest holes for the ladies ... not the men's.

Also, are you factoring in the rating as well as the slope? When you play from different tee boxes, both are part of the computation.


ArizonaBlue
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# 2    2/28/2012 11:07:23 PM   
Also, even from the same tee box, the rating and slope are different for men and women ... as you probably know.


Jason Patterson
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# 3    2/28/2012 11:47:40 PM   

She would get the strokes on the four hardest holes for the ladies ... not the men's.

Also, are you factoring in the rating as well as the slope? When you play from different tee boxes, both are part of the computation.


Surprisingly, the rating is not considered, as far as I know, it's only used when calcuating your index, not when determining the number of strokes a player gets. Here is the link to the USGA site that calculates the number of strokes a player gets, based on the slope and player's index.

http://www.usga.org/playing/ha..


ArizonaBlue
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# 4    2/29/2012 8:39:20 AM   


She would get the strokes on the four hardest holes for the ladies ... not the men's.

Also, are you factoring in the rating as well as the slope? When you play from different tee boxes, both are part of the computation.


Surprisingly, the rating is not considered, as far as I know, it's only used when calcuating your index, not when determining the number of strokes a player gets. Here is the link to the USGA site that calculates the number of strokes a player gets, based on the slope and player's index.

http://www.usga.org/playing/ha..





I beg to differ. Our club has a Match Play Championship for the last three years and I have a spreadsheet to compute the number of strokes to give depending on the handicap index, slope and rating of the tee each competitor is playing from. The following is from the USGA website:

Players Competing From a Different Course Ratingâ„¢ or Tees

Q. When players are competing from a different Course Rating or tees, why do you make a second adjustment to Course Handicapâ„¢? Can a club choose to ignore Section 3-5/9-3c of the USGA Handicap System manual?

A. A player’s Course Handicap is based on the number of strokes needed to compete with other golfers from that specific set of tees. A Course Handicap is determined purely from the Slope Rating® of the set of tees being played. Because each set of tees has a different Course Rating, this difference needs to be accounted for when players are competing against each other from different tees.
For a more detailed explanation of this adjustment, please refer to our Playing from Different Tees brochure .

A club cannot choose to ignore Section 3-5/9-3. For more information regarding this subject, please visit the USGA Position Paper on player’s competing from different tees.

Please visit Sections 3-5 and 9-3c of the USGA Handicap System manual for further reference.




ArizonaBlue
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# 5    2/29/2012 8:42:27 AM   
And, if you want a copy of the Excel spreadsheet that I use to compute the number of strokes, send me an email to azd5blue@cox.net.


Duckhunter
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# 6    2/29/2012 8:50:26 AM   
I would think it her handicap and she would get 4 strokes on her 4 hardest holes. I have also seen holes where the red tee is par 5 and whites is a par 4. so she sould get an extra stroke on a hole like that.


ArizonaBlue
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# 7    2/29/2012 8:54:19 AM   

I would think it her handicap and she would get 4 strokes on her 4 hardest holes. I have also seen holes where the red tee is par 5 and whites is a par 4. so she sould get an extra stroke on a hole like that.


I disagree ... it has nothing to do with par of a hole. It has only to do with the handicap number of the hole. And the only reason she might get more than one stroke on a hole is if her adjusted course handicap is more than 18 strokes higher than his adjusted course hnadicap ... not because of a difference in par.


Duckhunter
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# 8    2/29/2012 12:35:59 PM   


I would think it her handicap and she would get 4 strokes on her 4 hardest holes. I have also seen holes where the red tee is par 5 and whites is a par 4. so she sould get an extra stroke on a hole like that.


I disagree ... it has nothing to do with par of a hole. It has only to do with the handicap number of the hole. And the only reason she might get more than one stroke on a hole is if her adjusted course handicap is more than 18 strokes higher than his adjusted course hnadicap ... not because of a difference in par.


If her par is 5 and your par is 4 she has to score a birdie 4 to tie you on this hole if you got a par 4??


ArizonaBlue
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# 9    2/29/2012 1:20:20 PM   



I would think it her handicap and she would get 4 strokes on her 4 hardest holes. I have also seen holes where the red tee is par 5 and whites is a par 4. so she sould get an extra stroke on a hole like that.


I disagree ... it has nothing to do with par of a hole. It has only to do with the handicap number of the hole. And the only reason she might get more than one stroke on a hole is if her adjusted course handicap is more than 18 strokes higher than his adjusted course hnadicap ... not because of a difference in par.


If her par is 5 and your par is 4 she has to score a birdie 4 to tie you on this hole if you got a par 4??


If you both par the hole, then the hole is a push ... regardless of the par.


MikeNomgi
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# 10    2/29/2012 1:24:50 PM   
Duck, If you make par, she has to make eagle to win the hole, or birdie if she has a stroke.


ArizonaBlue
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# 11    2/29/2012 1:28:27 PM   

Duck, If you make par, she has to make eagle to win the hole, or birdie if she has a stroke.


If she doesn't get a stroke on the hole, why wouldn't it be a push if they both par ... regardless of what par is?


Duckhunter
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# 12    2/29/2012 1:33:47 PM   




I would think it her handicap and she would get 4 strokes on her 4 hardest holes. I have also seen holes where the red tee is par 5 and whites is a par 4. so she sould get an extra stroke on a hole like that.


I disagree ... it has nothing to do with par of a hole. It has only to do with the handicap number of the hole. And the only reason she might get more than one stroke on a hole is if her adjusted course handicap is more than 18 strokes higher than his adjusted course hnadicap ... not because of a difference in par.


If her par is 5 and your par is 4 she has to score a birdie 4 to tie you on this hole if you got a par 4??


If you both par the hole, then the hole is a push ... regardless of the par.


Ok I get that it's shots to par not just strokes per hole. Thanks! I was only thinking about strokes.


ArizonaBlue
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# 13    2/29/2012 1:35:26 PM   


Duck, If you make par, she has to make eagle to win the hole, or birdie if she has a stroke.


If she doesn't get a stroke on the hole, why wouldn't it be a push if they both par ... regardless of what par is?


I have submitted a question to the USGA for clarification.


Jason Patterson
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# 14    3/2/2013 9:34:04 PM   



Duck, If you make par, she has to make eagle to win the hole, or birdie if she has a stroke.


If she doesn't get a stroke on the hole, why wouldn't it be a push if they both par ... regardless of what par is?


I have submitted a question to the USGA for clarification.


Did you ever hear back from the USGA on this one, AzBlue?

Thanks!