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Jason Patterson Professional Champion
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I am headed to Michigan for a golf trip in a few weeks and one of the courses I am considering isn't in the USGA Course Rating Database. I thought there must be an error so I called the head pro and he said that it costs the course $3,000//year and he would rather pay his superintendent an extra $3k/year to keep it in good shape. The last time the course was reviewed was 5 years ago, and he is still using those slopes and ratings on the website. My question is, does this invalidate my score from a handicap tracking perspective? They are listed on this site, using the ratings/slope from 5 years ago. I can't imagine that the course has changed all that much in 5 years, so I'm guessing it would be still be pretty close to accurate when I enter my score.
wvu2011nj Professional Champion
# 1 7/19/2013 9:37:43 AM
I think it's once every 10 years a course must be re-rated, but don't quote me on that.
Glennehurst Professional Champion
# 2 7/19/2013 9:47:47 AM
Per the USGA: Courses must be re-rated at least every 10 years, or if it is a new golf course, within 5 years. A course must also be re-rated if significant changes have been made to the course. To schedule a course rating, the club representative needs to contact its authorized golf association.
Mark Simmons Legend
# 3 7/19/2013 11:37:45 AM
So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database?
OtterMan08 Legend
# 4 7/19/2013 12:50:26 PM
Well, to address your question... If this website still lists the course and rating, you are good to go. Otherwise, with no valid USGA listing I don't think your scores apply for handicap purposes.
Mongo68 Legend
# 5 7/19/2013 12:57:45 PM
So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database? If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status.
Anthony R Terenzio LowIndex
# 6 7/19/2013 1:33:16 PM
I played a 9 hole course in Florida on 7-6-13 and tryed to post my score it wasnt listed so I e-mailed the site they said it was not rated so I couldnt post. Heres the irony of thou its the first time I ever shot even par two birdies and a double for par 32
Glennehurst Professional Champion
# 7 7/19/2013 2:18:45 PM
I too have a little course near my house that is not rated. It is called Riverview located in Pine Hall. It is a 9 hole track that I consider my little practice course. When I play it with my daughter I routinely shoot in the 30's however it is not that difficult. Course's like that one serves a purpose in providing the golfing public a place to play that is affordable, quick and not too difficult. Not a knock on those types of courses just a niche market so to speak.
Mark Simmons Legend
# 8 7/19/2013 7:32:42 PM
So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database? If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status. I know. But Jason said the course told them they last had it rated 5 years ago, so we still have a mystery.
Mongo68 Legend
# 9 7/19/2013 7:50:50 PM
So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database? If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status. I know. But Jason said the course told them they last had it rated 5 years ago, so we still have a mystery. And a course I played in MD last year told me they were in great condition, which they were, and were in good financial shape after rumors of closing earlier in the year. As of May of this year they closed their doors and gave no notice whatsoever. Take what the course says with a grain of salt.
Mark Simmons Legend
# 10 7/19/2013 8:43:18 PM
So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database? If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status. I know. But Jason said the course told them they last had it rated 5 years ago, so we still have a mystery. And a course I played in MD last year told me they were in great condition, which they were, and were in good financial shape after rumors of closing earlier in the year. As of May of this year they closed their doors and gave no notice whatsoever. Take what the course says with a grain of salt. You and I are saying the same thing, just looking at both sides of the same coin. Something doesn't add up. The question is what? There are lots of possibilities.

Jason Patterson

Professional Champion

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I am headed to Michigan for a golf trip in a few weeks and one of the courses I am considering isn't in the USGA Course Rating Database. I thought there must be an error so I called the head pro and he said that it costs the course $3,000//year and he would rather pay his superintendent an extra $3k/year to keep it in good shape. The last time the course was reviewed was 5 years ago, and he is still using those slopes and ratings on the website.

My question is, does this invalidate my score from a handicap tracking perspective? They are listed on this site, using the ratings/slope from 5 years ago. I can't imagine that the course has changed all that much in 5 years, so I'm guessing it would be still be pretty close to accurate when I enter my score.

wvu2011nj

Professional Champion

# 1 7/19/2013 9:37:43 AM

I think it's once every 10 years a course must be re-rated, but don't quote me on that.

Glennehurst

Professional Champion

# 2 7/19/2013 9:47:47 AM

Per the USGA:
Courses must be re-rated at least every 10 years, or if it is a new golf course, within 5 years. A course must also be re-rated if significant changes have been made to the course. To schedule a course rating, the club representative needs to contact its authorized golf association.

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 3 7/19/2013 11:37:45 AM

So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database?

OtterMan08

Legend

# 4 7/19/2013 12:50:26 PM

Well, to address your question... If this website still lists the course and rating, you are good to go. Otherwise, with no valid USGA listing I don't think your scores apply for handicap purposes.

Mongo68

Legend

# 5 7/19/2013 12:57:45 PM

So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database?

If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status.

Anthony R Terenzio

LowIndex

# 6 7/19/2013 1:33:16 PM

I played a 9 hole course in Florida on 7-6-13 and tryed to post my score it wasnt listed so I e-mailed the site they said it was not rated so I couldnt post. Heres the irony of thou its the first time I ever shot even par two birdies and a double for par 32

Glennehurst

Professional Champion

# 7 7/19/2013 2:18:45 PM

I too have a little course near my house that is not rated. It is called Riverview located in Pine Hall. It is a 9 hole track that I consider my little practice course. When I play it with my daughter I routinely shoot in the 30's however it is not that difficult. Course's like that one serves a purpose in providing the golfing public a place to play that is affordable, quick and not too difficult. Not a knock on those types of courses just a niche market so to speak.

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 8 7/19/2013 7:32:42 PM

So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database?

If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status.

I know. But Jason said the course told them they last had it rated 5 years ago, so we still have a mystery.

Mongo68

Legend

# 9 7/19/2013 7:50:50 PM

So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database?

If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status.

I know. But Jason said the course told them they last had it rated 5 years ago, so we still have a mystery.

And a course I played in MD last year told me they were in great condition, which they were, and were in good financial shape after rumors of closing earlier in the year. As of May of this year they closed their doors and gave no notice whatsoever. Take what the course says with a grain of salt.

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 10 7/19/2013 8:43:18 PM

So if all that is true, then the real question is why isn't this course listed in the USGA Course Rating database?

If the course isn't re-rated after 10 years then they lose their USGA course status.

I know. But Jason said the course told them they last had it rated 5 years ago, so we still have a mystery.

You and I are saying the same thing, just looking at both sides of the same coin. Something doesn't add up. The question is what? There are lots of possibilities.

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