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I am so bummed. I worked really hard to get my golf hdcp down below 10 this year. I was even inching my way to becoming eligible for trying out for the All Army Golf Team which requires a hdcp of 4 or lower. However, my hdcp seemed unusually low so I called the Minnesota Golf Association (MNGA) to enquire about it. They informed me that I have been listed as a woman all year. I am stunned by all the implications of that, but I won't go there. Anyway, they adjusted my hdcp to reflect that I am actually a male and my hdcp promptly shot-up to 10. I guess there is always next year.
JD LowIndex
# 1 11/3/2012 6:12:53 PM
Bhahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that is pretty funny
Timothyjack Professional Champion
# 2 11/3/2012 6:25:51 PM
Thats odd. Even if you were listed as a woman, when you posted your score, dou most likely didnt use the ladies red tees (which we know have a lower rating and slope) for your score. Why would it go up? If my wife played the blues, then she is playing a more difficult round and using a higher rating & slope. You might want to have your handicap double checked.
Robert Premeaux Jr. Professional Champion
# 3 11/4/2012 12:56:35 AM
If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ... ... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4.
LindseyM Legend
# 4 11/4/2012 11:06:01 AM
Bhahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that is pretty funny LMAO! right there with ya on the lauging. Sorry to hear about the confusion you'll get there next year.
LindseyM Legend
# 5 11/4/2012 11:32:28 AM
Thats odd. Even if you were listed as a woman, when you posted your score, dou most likely didnt use the ladies red tees (which we know have a lower rating and slope) for your score. Why would it go up? If my wife played the blues, then she is playing a more difficult round and using a higher rating & slope. You might want to have your handicap double checked. Some of that is true. However, most courses are not rated for women on every tee box, so regardless of which tees were entered for a score the whole rating and slope differential would be different and giving him a lower HCP as a woman than as a male ( does that make since) Yes, when I play harder tee boxes and play to my hcp from a more forward tee my HCP index goes down. example: Say you (male) played a course with a rating/slope of 70.2/ 128 and yrdage of 6300 and posted a 89. your differential would be 16.5, since the system regarded him as a female they have to adjust the course rating/ slope based of the yardage difference btwn next set of tees rated for women. so the same you as a female with the same score but since the rating and slope is now adjusted to 76/134 the differential would be 10.96 giving you a lower HCP as a women than male.
Mark Simmons Legend
# 6 11/4/2012 2:45:00 PM
A quick sex change operation would fix everything.
gsollars LowIndex
# 7 11/5/2012 6:46:50 AM
If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ... ... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4. Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning. Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies. So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter.
MT Vincent Professional Champion
# 8 11/5/2012 10:12:19 AM
Bhahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that is pretty funny Classic.
Mark Simmons Legend
# 9 11/5/2012 2:04:43 PM
If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ... Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning. I suspect Robert is suffering from the effects of "Every Man's Syndrom" where he believes that everyone else's experience matches his own, and Gilbert suffers from "The Mirage of Statistics" a world where everyone fits along a normalized curve and real world results that include most people as "outliers" with non-normalized experiences do not exist.
itbeZ Professional Champion
# 10 11/5/2012 2:19:25 PM
Sorry to LMAO also but that is just too funny to pass on ..... Keep your head up, this just give you more desire to achieve your goal .....
Robert Premeaux Jr. Professional Champion
# 11 11/6/2012 12:41:48 AM
If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ... ... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4. Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning. Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies. So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter. You just disagreed with me by exactly agreeing with me. Are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise?
cpfitness Professional Champion
# 12 11/6/2012 12:06:26 PM
This post is exactly what is wrong with our country. PEople who can't even figure out how to properly post a goddamn score for handicap purposes yet their vote today counts the same as mine. Pathetic!!! How the fuck do you not know how to post a score? it does matter what sex you are listed as, you have to enter the course and slope rating for the tees you are playing. even if you have some other kind of automated system, you should have noticed something was up. How on earth can you possibly think you are a 4 handicap when as a 10 you are most certainly shooting PLENTY of rounds in the 90's????
Rolston Mckenzie Professional Champion
# 13 11/6/2012 1:38:27 PM
This post is exactly what is wrong with our country. PEople who can't even figure out how to properly post a goddamn score for handicap purposes yet their vote today counts the same as mine. Pathetic!!! How the fuck do you not know how to post a score? it does matter what sex you are listed as, you have to enter the course and slope rating for the tees you are playing. even if you have some other kind of automated system, you should have noticed something was up. How on earth can you possibly think you are a 4 handicap when as a 10 you are most certainly shooting PLENTY of rounds in the 90's???? Just shows your lack of vocabulary structure buddy, why rip the guy over a mistake? and you bring politics into it? I think your post is " Whats wrong in America" ... wake up and get a clue!!!
Dandy Professional Champion
# 14 11/6/2012 2:55:23 PM
If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ... ... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4. Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning. Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies. So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter. You just disagreed with me by exactly agreeing with me. Are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise? Actually Robert, he did indeed completly disagree. You're saying the harder handicap reduction is from 20 down to 10, he's saying the harder reduction is from 10 down to 4. And I'd agree that the lower your handicap gets, the harder it becomes to lower if further.
Robert Premeaux Jr. Professional Champion
# 15 11/6/2012 3:46:57 PM
If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ... ... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4. Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning. Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies. So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter. You just disagreed with me by exactly agreeing with me. Are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise? Nope, I'm the moron. I apologize ... I just re-read what I wrote and realized I'd misworded my main point. It is harder to go from 10 to 4 than 20 to 10, not vice versa. It's always much, much harder to improve on what you've already improved. Well, maybe not "always," but it definitely is in golf. Sorry ... I'm stupid.

jddonovan

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I am so bummed. I worked really hard to get my golf hdcp down below 10 this year. I was even inching my way to becoming eligible for trying out for the All Army Golf Team which requires a hdcp of 4 or lower. However, my hdcp seemed unusually low so I called the Minnesota Golf Association (MNGA) to enquire about it. They informed me that I have been listed as a woman all year. I am stunned by all the implications of that, but I won't go there. Anyway, they adjusted my hdcp to reflect that I am actually a male and my hdcp promptly shot-up to 10. I guess there is always next year.

JD

LowIndex

# 1 11/3/2012 6:12:53 PM

Bhahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that is pretty funny

Timothyjack

Professional Champion

# 2 11/3/2012 6:25:51 PM

Thats odd. Even if you were listed as a woman, when you posted your score, dou most likely didnt use the ladies red tees (which we know have a lower rating and slope) for your score. Why would it go up? If my wife played the blues, then she is playing a more difficult round and using a higher rating & slope. You might want to have your handicap double checked.

Robert Premeaux Jr.

Professional Champion

# 3 11/4/2012 12:56:35 AM

If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ...

... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4.

LindseyM

Legend

# 4 11/4/2012 11:06:01 AM

Bhahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that is pretty funny

LMAO! right there with ya on the lauging.

Sorry to hear about the confusion you'll get there next year.

LindseyM

Legend

# 5 11/4/2012 11:32:28 AM

Thats odd. Even if you were listed as a woman, when you posted your score, dou most likely didnt use the ladies red tees (which we know have a lower rating and slope) for your score. Why would it go up? If my wife played the blues, then she is playing a more difficult round and using a higher rating & slope. You might want to have your handicap double checked.

Some of that is true. However, most courses are not rated for women on every tee box, so regardless of which tees were entered for a score the whole rating and slope differential would be different and giving him a lower HCP as a woman than as a male ( does that make since) Yes, when I play harder tee boxes and play to my hcp from a more forward tee my HCP index goes down.
example:
Say you (male) played a course with a rating/slope of 70.2/ 128 and yrdage of 6300 and posted a 89. your differential would be 16.5, since the system regarded him as a female they have to adjust the course rating/ slope based of the yardage difference btwn next set of tees rated for women.
so the same you as a female with the same score but since the rating and slope is now adjusted to 76/134 the differential would be 10.96 giving you a lower HCP as a women than male.

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 6 11/4/2012 2:45:00 PM

A quick sex change operation would fix everything.

gsollars

LowIndex

# 7 11/5/2012 6:46:50 AM

If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ...

... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning.

Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies.

So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter.

MT Vincent

Professional Champion

# 8 11/5/2012 10:12:19 AM

Bhahaha! Sorry for laughing, but that is pretty funny

Classic.

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 9 11/5/2012 2:04:43 PM

If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ...

Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning.

I suspect Robert is suffering from the effects of "Every Man's Syndrom" where he believes that everyone else's experience matches his own, and Gilbert suffers from "The Mirage of Statistics" a world where everyone fits along a normalized curve and real world results that include most people as "outliers" with non-normalized experiences do not exist.

itbeZ

Professional Champion

# 10 11/5/2012 2:19:25 PM

Sorry to LMAO also but that is just too funny to pass on .....
Keep your head up, this just give you more desire to achieve your goal .....

Robert Premeaux Jr.

Professional Champion

# 11 11/6/2012 12:41:48 AM

If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ...

... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning.

Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies.

So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter.

You just disagreed with me by exactly agreeing with me. Are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise?

cpfitness

Professional Champion

# 12 11/6/2012 12:06:26 PM

This post is exactly what is wrong with our country. PEople who can't even figure out how to properly post a goddamn score for handicap purposes yet their vote today counts the same as mine. Pathetic!!! How the fuck do you not know how to post a score? it does matter what sex you are listed as, you have to enter the course and slope rating for the tees you are playing. even if you have some other kind of automated system, you should have noticed something was up. How on earth can you possibly think you are a 4 handicap when as a 10 you are most certainly shooting PLENTY of rounds in the 90's????

Rolston Mckenzie

Professional Champion

# 13 11/6/2012 1:38:27 PM

This post is exactly what is wrong with our country. PEople who can't even figure out how to properly post a goddamn score for handicap purposes yet their vote today counts the same as mine. Pathetic!!! How the fuck do you not know how to post a score? it does matter what sex you are listed as, you have to enter the course and slope rating for the tees you are playing. even if you have some other kind of automated system, you should have noticed something was up. How on earth can you possibly think you are a 4 handicap when as a 10 you are most certainly shooting PLENTY of rounds in the 90's????

Just shows your lack of vocabulary structure buddy, why rip the guy over a mistake? and you bring politics into it? I think your post is " Whats wrong in America" ... wake up and get a clue!!!

Dandy

Professional Champion

# 14 11/6/2012 2:55:23 PM

If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ...

... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning.

Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies.

So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter.

You just disagreed with me by exactly agreeing with me. Are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise?

Actually Robert, he did indeed completly disagree. You're saying the harder handicap reduction is from 20 down to 10, he's saying the harder reduction is from 10 down to 4. And I'd agree that the lower your handicap gets, the harder it becomes to lower if further.

Robert Premeaux Jr.

Professional Champion

# 15 11/6/2012 3:46:57 PM

If you can get your handicap to 10, you can get it to 4. It won't be easy ... in fact, I'd say it's harder to go from 20s to 10 than 10 to sub-4, BUT once you reach the 10 and single-digit range, the rest is really a question of how much time do you have ...

... and how patient are you practicing your short game. If you can stand practicing chipping, pitching and putting for hours a time, you can get to 4.

Sorry, I completely disagree with you on your assertion that it is harder to reduce your handicap from 20 to 10 than from 10 to 4. If you plot your handicap vertically against time on the horizontal axis, you would see that the resulting curve goes up rather steep in the beginning and flattens out with time. That is because each incremental reduction in your handicap is WAY more difficult to achieve as your handicap goes down than in the beginning.

Think of it this way; if you are a 30 handicap and decide to get lessons you will see very large reductions in your handicap initially. We do assume that the lessons are successful. With practice, one's handicap declines fairly quickly. But as we get down in the single digit range, incremental improvements are more difficult to achieve. That's because it requires you to play more near perfect than a guy with a 30-handicap. A 30-handcap can mess up a few holes and recover with a few pars, maybe the odd birdie. A 6 or 7-handicap that makes a few doubles in a round needs to make some birdies to overcome those mistakes. And we all know how difficult it is to make those birdies.

So, reducing your handicap from 30 to 25 is much easier than it is to reduce it from 10 to 5. You're trying to reduce your handicap by the same number of handicap strokes but it's going to be much harder to achieve the latter.

You just disagreed with me by exactly agreeing with me. Are you Bill O'Reilly in disguise?

Nope, I'm the moron. I apologize ... I just re-read what I wrote and realized I'd misworded my main point.

It *is* harder to go from 10 to 4 than 20 to 10, not vice versa. It's always much, much harder to improve on what you've already improved. Well, maybe not "always," but it definitely is in golf.

Sorry ... I'm stupid.

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