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OK - Tiger won at the Blue Monster and the media are ready to give him the 2013 Masters. His putting last week was legen (wait for it) dary, and his iron play is some of the best in the business, but can I get a whoop, whoop for mediocre driving? Although the fairways are narrow at Doral, he was missing more than his fair share. Hank Haney was right when he told Tiger he should use a driver with a higher loft. Phil did it earlier this year to fantastic results. Tiger should follow suit. Tiger is reluctant to do it because he's afraid he'll lose yards, but at Augusta an errant drive just isn't in the rough - it's in the Georgia Pines.
njgolfer Legend
# 1 3/12/2013 6:19:40 AM
Tiger is Tiger.
armygrunt47 Professional Champion
# 2 3/12/2013 7:02:40 AM
Tiger has never won because of his driving accuracy. He wins because he plans smart misses that still leave him a chance to get to the green. He is longer than most off the tee so he is closer to the green. Therefore, he has a more lofted club into the green so he can still get enough spin to hold them from the rough.
Duckhunter Legend
# 3 3/12/2013 12:47:29 PM
Tiger needs to trust his driver more. If he wants he can tee off all day with a 3 wood and be just fine. Don't think he looks at what Phil is doing much at all.
cogolfer1 LowIndex
# 4 3/12/2013 12:50:45 PM
I'm the biggest non-Tiger fan on the planet and look for anything to bring his chances down at the majors, and that's one I could add to the book along with his lack of a draw and dependance on the fade. But... it's been too long. With no rhyme or reason to it I'm picking him to win at Augusta. 2 or more though is stretching it. Merion, Muirfield, and Oak Hill don't fit him.
armygrunt47 Professional Champion
# 5 3/12/2013 4:31:01 PM
Putted like he never putted before, and his iron play was awesome, but I agree his driving is mediocre at best. Wonder why he relies so much on a fade? That is so uncharacteristic of other pros......... Him playing the fade is what won him the tournament and he said that himself. Yeah his putting helped but he would have not been able to put himself in the same positions on the course with a draw.By hitting a fade he eliminated the left side of the course and essentialy gave himself twice the area to work with. Start the ball down the left rough line and fade it into the fairway. A lot of pros do the same thing. When you hear them or their coach say that they are trying to eliminate the two-sided miss this is what they are trying to do. A go to shot.
armygrunt47 Professional Champion
# 6 3/12/2013 4:31:46 PM
Putted like he never putted before, and his iron play was awesome, but I agree his driving is mediocre at best. Wonder why he relies so much on a fade? That is so uncharacteristic of other pros......... Him playing the fade is what won him the tournament and he said that himself. Yeah his putting helped but he would have not been able to put himself in the same positions on the course with a draw too.By hitting a fade he eliminated the left side of the course and essentialy gave himself twice the area to work with. Start the ball down the left rough line and fade it into the fairway. A lot of pros do the same thing. When you hear them or their coach say that they are trying to eliminate the two-sided miss this is what they are trying to do. A go to shot.
JayTucker66 Professional Champion
# 7 3/12/2013 4:58:35 PM
I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?
JayTucker66 Professional Champion
# 8 3/12/2013 4:59:09 PM
I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?
armygrunt47 Professional Champion
# 9 3/12/2013 5:33:21 PM
I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it? Same for Travino
tothetop777 Legend
# 10 3/12/2013 6:00:00 PM
Tiger has never won because of his driving accuracy. He wins because he plans smart misses that still leave him a chance to get to the green. He is longer than most off the tee so he is closer to the green. Therefore, he has a more lofted club into the green so he can still get enough spin to hold them from the rough. Dead on AG!
Pappy82nd Professional Champion
# 11 3/12/2013 8:12:08 PM
I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it? I don't think Jack favored the fade but Arnie did. Arnie got into trouble many times on the left side due to a pull when he would over rotate his shoulders. When his fade was working, no one could touch him. I think Jack was more versatile much like Mickelson and Watson, he would work it both ways. I might be wrong and have that backwards but I think I am correct.
Pappy82nd Professional Champion
# 12 3/12/2013 8:14:31 PM
I'm the biggest non-Tiger fan on the planet and look for anything to bring his chances down at the majors, and that's one I could add to the book along with his lack of a draw and dependance on the fade. But... it's been too long. With no rhyme or reason to it I'm picking him to win at Augusta. 2 or more though is stretching it. Merion, Muirfield, and Oak Hill don't fit him. Not sure if you are the biggest non-Tiger fan Co, I might have you beat. I still don't see him winning a major this year, but if he keeps improving as he has the past 6 months, 2014 may well be a banner year including a couple of majors for him.
cogolfer1 LowIndex
# 13 3/12/2013 9:15:44 PM
I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it? I don't think Jack favored the fade but Arnie did. Arnie got into trouble many times on the left side due to a pull when he would over rotate his shoulders. When his fade was working, no one could touch him. I think Jack was more versatile much like Mickelson and Watson, he would work it both ways. I might be wrong and have that backwards but I think I am correct. You have to clarify when you just say Watson now. Tom or Bubba?
Pappy82nd Professional Champion
# 14 3/12/2013 9:40:35 PM
I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it? I don't think Jack favored the fade but Arnie did. Arnie got into trouble many times on the left side due to a pull when he would over rotate his shoulders. When his fade was working, no one could touch him. I think Jack was more versatile much like Mickelson and Watson, he would work it both ways. I might be wrong and have that backwards but I think I am correct. You have to clarify when you just say Watson now. Tom or Bubba? You are right. Tom was a draw player. Bubba loves to work it both ways. Although Tom was darn good working it both ways as well.
bmoody16 Professional Champion
# 15 3/14/2013 9:46:17 PM
I'm the biggest non-Tiger fan on the planet and look for anything to bring his chances down at the majors, and that's one I could add to the book along with his lack of a draw and dependance on the fade. But... it's been too long. With no rhyme or reason to it I'm picking him to win at Augusta. 2 or more though is stretching it. Merion, Muirfield, and Oak Hill don't fit him. Don't fool yourself, Tiger can play a draw any day of the week if he wants to. In fact, it is his natural shape. But holding greens on the PGA Tour is much easier with a Fade. BTW, he hit a great draw on #18 Sunday, when about half the field had put a ball in the water on that hole.

jddonovan

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OK - Tiger won at the Blue Monster and the media are ready to give him the 2013 Masters. His putting last week was legen (wait for it) dary, and his iron play is some of the best in the business, but can I get a whoop, whoop for mediocre driving?

Although the fairways are narrow at Doral, he was missing more than his fair share. Hank Haney was right when he told Tiger he should use a driver with a higher loft. Phil did it earlier this year to fantastic results. Tiger should follow suit. Tiger is reluctant to do it because he's afraid he'll lose yards, but at Augusta an errant drive just isn't in the rough - it's in the Georgia Pines.

njgolfer

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# 1 3/12/2013 6:19:40 AM

Tiger is Tiger.

armygrunt47

Professional Champion

# 2 3/12/2013 7:02:40 AM

Tiger has never won because of his driving accuracy. He wins because he plans smart misses that still leave him a chance to get to the green. He is longer than most off the tee so he is closer to the green. Therefore, he has a more lofted club into the green so he can still get enough spin to hold them from the rough.

Duckhunter

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# 3 3/12/2013 12:47:29 PM

Tiger needs to trust his driver more. If he wants he can tee off all day with a 3 wood and be just fine. Don't think he looks at what Phil is doing much at all.

cogolfer1

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# 4 3/12/2013 12:50:45 PM

I'm the biggest non-Tiger fan on the planet and look for anything to bring his chances down at the majors, and that's one I could add to the book along with his lack of a draw and dependance on the fade. But... it's been too long. With no rhyme or reason to it I'm picking him to win at Augusta. 2 or more though is stretching it. Merion, Muirfield, and Oak Hill don't fit him.

armygrunt47

Professional Champion

# 5 3/12/2013 4:31:01 PM

Putted like he never putted before, and his iron play was awesome, but I agree his driving is mediocre at best. Wonder why he relies so much on a fade? That is so uncharacteristic of other pros.........

Him playing the fade is what won him the tournament and he said that himself. Yeah his putting helped but he would have not been able to put himself in the same positions on the course with a draw.By hitting a fade he eliminated the left side of the course and essentialy gave himself twice the area to work with. Start the ball down the left rough line and fade it into the fairway. A lot of pros do the same thing. When you hear them or their coach say that they are trying to eliminate the two-sided miss this is what they are trying to do. A go to shot.

armygrunt47

Professional Champion

# 6 3/12/2013 4:31:46 PM

Putted like he never putted before, and his iron play was awesome, but I agree his driving is mediocre at best. Wonder why he relies so much on a fade? That is so uncharacteristic of other pros.........

Him playing the fade is what won him the tournament and he said that himself. Yeah his putting helped but he would have not been able to put himself in the same positions on the course with a draw too.By hitting a fade he eliminated the left side of the course and essentialy gave himself twice the area to work with. Start the ball down the left rough line and fade it into the fairway. A lot of pros do the same thing. When you hear them or their coach say that they are trying to eliminate the two-sided miss this is what they are trying to do. A go to shot.

JayTucker66

Professional Champion

# 7 3/12/2013 4:58:35 PM

I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?

JayTucker66

Professional Champion

# 8 3/12/2013 4:59:09 PM

I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?

armygrunt47

Professional Champion

# 9 3/12/2013 5:33:21 PM

I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?

Same for Travino

tothetop777

Legend

# 10 3/12/2013 6:00:00 PM

Tiger has never won because of his driving accuracy. He wins because he plans smart misses that still leave him a chance to get to the green. He is longer than most off the tee so he is closer to the green. Therefore, he has a more lofted club into the green so he can still get enough spin to hold them from the rough.

Dead on AG!

Pappy82nd

Professional Champion

# 11 3/12/2013 8:12:08 PM

I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?

I don't think Jack favored the fade but Arnie did. Arnie got into trouble many times on the left side due to a pull when he would over rotate his shoulders. When his fade was working, no one could touch him. I think Jack was more versatile much like Mickelson and Watson, he would work it both ways. I might be wrong and have that backwards but I think I am correct.

Pappy82nd

Professional Champion

# 12 3/12/2013 8:14:31 PM

I'm the biggest non-Tiger fan on the planet and look for anything to bring his chances down at the majors, and that's one I could add to the book along with his lack of a draw and dependance on the fade. But... it's been too long. With no rhyme or reason to it I'm picking him to win at Augusta. 2 or more though is stretching it. Merion, Muirfield, and Oak Hill don't fit him.

Not sure if you are the biggest non-Tiger fan Co, I might have you beat. I still don't see him winning a major this year, but if he keeps improving as he has the past 6 months, 2014 may well be a banner year including a couple of majors for him.

cogolfer1

LowIndex

# 13 3/12/2013 9:15:44 PM

I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?

I don't think Jack favored the fade but Arnie did. Arnie got into trouble many times on the left side due to a pull when he would over rotate his shoulders. When his fade was working, no one could touch him. I think Jack was more versatile much like Mickelson and Watson, he would work it both ways. I might be wrong and have that backwards but I think I am correct.

You have to clarify when you just say Watson now. Tom or Bubba?

Pappy82nd

Professional Champion

# 14 3/12/2013 9:40:35 PM

I could be wrong, and I know that Tiger is NOT "The Bear," but didn't Jack favor the fade? Seems like it was a pretty good shot for him -- or was it?

I don't think Jack favored the fade but Arnie did. Arnie got into trouble many times on the left side due to a pull when he would over rotate his shoulders. When his fade was working, no one could touch him. I think Jack was more versatile much like Mickelson and Watson, he would work it both ways. I might be wrong and have that backwards but I think I am correct.

You have to clarify when you just say Watson now. Tom or Bubba?

You are right. Tom was a draw player. Bubba loves to work it both ways. Although Tom was darn good working it both ways as well.

bmoody16

Professional Champion

# 15 3/14/2013 9:46:17 PM

I'm the biggest non-Tiger fan on the planet and look for anything to bring his chances down at the majors, and that's one I could add to the book along with his lack of a draw and dependance on the fade. But... it's been too long. With no rhyme or reason to it I'm picking him to win at Augusta. 2 or more though is stretching it. Merion, Muirfield, and Oak Hill don't fit him.

Don't fool yourself, Tiger can play a draw any day of the week if he wants to. In fact, it is his natural shape. But holding greens on the PGA Tour is much easier with a Fade. BTW, he hit a great draw on #18 Sunday, when about half the field had put a ball in the water on that hole.

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