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Dandy, obviously you already know you need to get your swing path less inside out to hit a fade without blocking it way right. Any chance of uploading a video of your current swing? That would be the quickest way to give you some effective ideas.

Trev, I know you are the last guy to use the injury as a crutch or an excuse. You and I are in the same boat and I know we've talked about our injuries. It got to the point that my wrist WAS a legit reason for some distance loss and a few loose swings that crept in at the wrong time. I tried not to let it be a factor but my tempo got thrown off when I started swinging with less club head speed. You have a long, powerful swing and know that the shoulder has much to do with loss of tempo and balance.

I think the injury is a recovery in process and when the club is ahead of the swing, you will definitely see the lack of fade. You'll tug most misses left before you fade them. Keep coming along slowly and let that bad boy keep healing. I think it's great you have been able to get out lately. I consider a little bad play as a bonus. Keep the chin up Bro!!

Try this for the time being. Set up like you are making a dead straight shot that you can actually do. Pick your aim point for that shot. Somewhere to the left of your target. then open the clubface and aim it dead straight at your target. Now swing down your aim point. the ball will cut back to the target. Jack always did it this way. you don't have to change anything about your swing. EXCEPT, take an extra club.

Good advice! And he's right about the need to use at least one extra club!. Fade spin just kills distance. Fading off the tee results in loss of 20-30 yards or more. If you have the clubhead speed to afford that, congrats!

larry

Interesting quote from Ken Venturi in August 2013 Golf Digest regarding fade v draw:

"I used to play a game using two balls. One ball, I required myself to draw every shot. The other ball had to be fades, nothing else. If one of the balls didn't do what it was supposed to, it 'lost' the hole. In all the years I played this game, the hook ball never won a match, and it usually got closed out early. That's how I learned that the fade is the go-to shot under pressure."

My thought is that it all depends on your swing path, and what might be true for Mr Venturi may not be applicable for everyone's natural swing.... but I thought I'd share the quote anyway. Kinda cool idea if the course is open and you can play two balls.

I do this quite often and he is right, the fade always beats my draw. The draw is usually a club longer but the fade is more accurate for me. It makes for real good practice. That's funny, I thought I was the only one to play silly games like this while out messing around.

The comment on the fade reminded me of the times I've been out playing and right after a guy hits a bananna ball starting left of the fairway and ending up in the next fairway he says something like: "I just can't seem to get away from hitting a fade."

Moral of the story. When somebody talks about hitting a fade, first makes sure it is one.

Good perspective Mark, but Trev's issues stems originally from a pretty severe shoulder injury that I think is affecting his tempo and not allowing him to come thru the ball on the proper path. It looks like he's making progress from his last report he sent me, but I think it's more aptitude vs. attitude and he is working thru the issues.

Very difficult, IMO, when recovering from an injury because you are still operating under "old expectations" rather than new and realistic perspective. Don gave some good advice on this earlier in the thread. Keep up the improvement big boy!

The "comment on the fade" was in the thread above my comment. It was not in regard to Trev's situation or injury. If anyone interpreted it that way, my apologies.

Thanks guys, as always, there's some good stuff in here. I really keyed on the tempo idea though and after hitting a couple buckets to find contact again, everything kinda clicked. My timing was incredibly bad due to a really high tempo that's just not the nor for me. I'm hitting my irons really straight again. I actually went out and played my best round in a while today and I'm pretty excited that my shoulder isn't too sore

No need for apologies Mark, just didn't know if you were aware of Trev's injury situation. I was addressing my comments specific to him. I think he is really making a nice rebound from the injury. Happy to see a few low golf scores coming out of Alberta these days! :) Good job Bud!

Well and we all feel for Trev. The thing we share is we all love to play this game and when one of us can't because of injury (Trev and Pappy being two recent examples) we feel for them. Don't want that taken away from any of us--even for awhile.

Trev's latest post was great to see!

Thanks Mark. Just an update, I changed therapists about a month ago to a guy that used to work with the Red Wings and more recently the Flames. It's been amazing the progress I'm making as far as strength and recovery time. I feel like play a moderate amount of golf till the end of the season

He'll be back to his fighting weight in no time! Should be just in time to kick my @ss in Calgary during my Fall visit. Don't rush Trev... don't rush. LOL

I know I have had something figured out like that-- gone to a teaching pro with it and he just rolled his eyes, trying not to laugh. We would go to the lesson tee and start hitting balls--and every time the answer was better adherence to the fundamentals. My point is that students, even professional golfer students, almost NEVER know the root cause of an unsatisfactory result-- and we NEVER know how to change it.

So again, the shortcut to a fix is lessons. If you try to fix yourself, you will almost certainly add another fault. Keep doing that and when you finally take some lessons, you have so many faults that he doesn't know where to start.

Larry