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alstaxi Legend
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Both these guys were real whore mongers, why does every body hate Tiger and love the Babe???? Just saying..... Don't get me going on the way Elvis treated women, yet somehow he is still adored and making millions $$$$.
alstaxi Legend
# 16 5/7/2012 10:24:01 PM
People kinda touched on it already... but a list of things that did not exist in the 1920's and 30's: Facebook Twitter ESPN Golf Channel TMZ The internet in general TV in general End of thread. Nothing more needs to be said. I am pretty sure the 1927 Yankees were around then.
LyinLewis Legend
# 17 5/8/2012 10:46:46 AM
Different era, different sport. Plus Tiger had this straight and narrow demeaner to him so it was more of a shock than the boozing and cigar smoking vulgar Babe Ruth. Besides how come there wasn't as much of an uproar when Jordans indiscretions came to light? Slicer I will push you a bit on the generational thing. If anything our generation is much more loose morally than it was in the 1930's. The divorce rate is 50% plus. I can't argue that its a different sport, but Walter Hagen was quite cavalier cheating on his wife that it was a big joke in the press. To the modern era name a bigtime superstar who hasn't cheated on his spouse? Heck some people are accused of rape and still remain symbols for their sport. And I can think of two different sports on that comment. Maybe the question is who got duped? If someone bought into how Tiger was marketed isn't that their fault? I personally don't believe I know Tiger, Phil, Rory or any professional athlete any better than I know the next stranger that walk by. But some people bought into the ad campaign and now they are upset. If you dislike (hate) Tiger for his behavior on the course that is fine with me. I "hate" the way he acts when he screws up, and I don't think it was ever this bad when his dad was alive. I wonder how people would have felt about Bobby Jones had they known he cheated on his wife? That would be interesting because there you would have the Patron Saint of the USGA...the pure amateur who played for the love of the game. That would have been your comparison. As for me I never raise my nose to someone else's flaws. Tiger cheated on his wife, but I have no idea about there situation. What if they had an open marriage like many famous people do. They have open marriages, but when news hits the streets they seperate over the embarrassment. The fact is...I don't really know and neither do you. John Daly claimed to have some inside knowledge and gave an interview where he brought it up. I won't post it, but its not hard to find. Where I have always drawn the line (and this if for me personally) is what they do on the course or the arena. I have always enjoyed cheering for someone breaking records and writing history...its the historian in me. If Phil had won this year's Masters I would have enjoyed cheering for him to win his fifth and sixth to tie Jack. So you "hate" the way he acts, but you're not a hater. The rest of us who don't like how he behaves are haters. Nice logic. PS: Please provide some citations for Jones cheating on his wife. Regarding Jones, that was a hypothetical. I have heard somethings from golf historians but none of it has substance and at best is hear say. Regarding stories like that, there is no way of knowing if the stories are real or was that just gossip back in the day. Hagen however was beloved in his day and it was well known that he cheated on his wife repeatedly. Did that tarnish his image...no...if anything it may have enhanced it.
Slicer_1 Professional Champion
# 18 5/8/2012 11:26:54 AM
See that's what i was saying it was almost expected in their day. Now not so much.
MikeNomgi Professional Champion
# 19 5/8/2012 11:31:40 AM
Different era, different sport. Plus Tiger had this straight and narrow demeaner to him so it was more of a shock than the boozing and cigar smoking vulgar Babe Ruth. Besides how come there wasn't as much of an uproar when Jordans indiscretions came to light? Slicer I will push you a bit on the generational thing. If anything our generation is much more loose morally than it was in the 1930's. The divorce rate is 50% plus. I can't argue that its a different sport, but Walter Hagen was quite cavalier cheating on his wife that it was a big joke in the press. To the modern era name a bigtime superstar who hasn't cheated on his spouse? Heck some people are accused of rape and still remain symbols for their sport. And I can think of two different sports on that comment. Maybe the question is who got duped? If someone bought into how Tiger was marketed isn't that their fault? I personally don't believe I know Tiger, Phil, Rory or any professional athlete any better than I know the next stranger that walk by. But some people bought into the ad campaign and now they are upset. If you dislike (hate) Tiger for his behavior on the course that is fine with me. I "hate" the way he acts when he screws up, and I don't think it was ever this bad when his dad was alive. I wonder how people would have felt about Bobby Jones had they known he cheated on his wife? That would be interesting because there you would have the Patron Saint of the USGA...the pure amateur who played for the love of the game. That would have been your comparison. As for me I never raise my nose to someone else's flaws. Tiger cheated on his wife, but I have no idea about there situation. What if they had an open marriage like many famous people do. They have open marriages, but when news hits the streets they seperate over the embarrassment. The fact is...I don't really know and neither do you. John Daly claimed to have some inside knowledge and gave an interview where he brought it up. I won't post it, but its not hard to find. Where I have always drawn the line (and this if for me personally) is what they do on the course or the arena. I have always enjoyed cheering for someone breaking records and writing history...its the historian in me. If Phil had won this year's Masters I would have enjoyed cheering for him to win his fifth and sixth to tie Jack. So you "hate" the way he acts, but you're not a hater. The rest of us who don't like how he behaves are haters. Nice logic. PS: Please provide some citations for Jones cheating on his wife. Regarding Jones, that was a hypothetical. I have heard somethings from golf historians but none of it has substance and at best is hear say. Regarding stories like that, there is no way of knowing if the stories are real or was that just gossip back in the day. Hagen however was beloved in his day and it was well known that he cheated on his wife repeatedly. Did that tarnish his image...no...if anything it may have enhanced it. Your take on Hagen is interesting. When Hagen was playing there was no TV. This was not the sort of thing that was discussed on what little radio existed. There were really no contemporeanous books on Hagen. Please explain if you would, how in the world it was well known by the golf fans of the day that he cheated on his wife repeatedly.
Mark Simmons Legend
# 20 5/9/2012 12:40:21 AM
It seems that TW has disappointed a lot of people on this site. He would like you all to get over it and move on. He would also like you all to know that he loves you all. Actually, I think your first statement hit the nail on the head, the "disappointment" factor. Tiger VERY MUCH presented himself to be something very different than what he was. He also took that even further, doing a ton to market himself to children. That creates a different dynamic than a guy who is immoral, unfaithful, etcetera and everyone has always known that's what he is. The deception/disappointment factor is huge IMO. As to the other points, I'm sure he does want everyone to move on. But actions have consequences, and him wishing that would happen doesn't make it so. As to the last point, I have no evidence that is the case. Has Tiger ever proclaimed his love for us? And if so, has he done anything to indicate that his faithfulness and commitment to us has risen above the level he showed toward his wife and children?
njgolfer Legend
# 21 5/9/2012 5:55:59 AM
What turned me off as to Tiger was the hyperbole that preceeded him. Not in terms of his golfing talent but how Earl Woods declared how he would be bigger then Ghandi and some other historical figures. Now I understand parental pride but along the way the Woods camp felt they were untouchable to criticism. My how they learned since that eventful night.

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Both these guys were real whore mongers, why does every body hate Tiger and love the Babe???? Just saying..... Don't get me going on the way Elvis treated women, yet somehow he is still adored and making millions $$$$.

alstaxi

Legend

# 16 5/7/2012 10:24:01 PM

People kinda touched on it already... but a list of things that did not exist in the 1920's and 30's:

Facebook
Twitter
ESPN
Golf Channel
TMZ
The internet in general
TV in general

End of thread. Nothing more needs to be said.

I am pretty sure the 1927 Yankees were around then.

LyinLewis

Legend

# 17 5/8/2012 10:46:46 AM

Different era, different sport. Plus Tiger had this straight and narrow demeaner to him so it was more of a shock than the boozing and cigar smoking vulgar Babe Ruth. Besides how come there wasn't as much of an uproar when Jordans indiscretions came to light?

Slicer I will push you a bit on the generational thing. If anything our generation is much more loose morally than it was in the 1930's. The divorce rate is 50% plus.

I can't argue that its a different sport, but Walter Hagen was quite cavalier cheating on his wife that it was a big joke in the press. To the modern era name a bigtime superstar who hasn't cheated on his spouse? Heck some people are accused of rape and still remain symbols for their sport. And I can think of two different sports on that comment.

Maybe the question is who got duped? If someone bought into how Tiger was marketed isn't that their fault? I personally don't believe I know Tiger, Phil, Rory or any professional athlete any better than I know the next stranger that walk by. But some people bought into the ad campaign and now they are upset.

If you dislike (hate) Tiger for his behavior on the course that is fine with me. I "hate" the way he acts when he screws up, and I don't think it was ever this bad when his dad was alive.

I wonder how people would have felt about Bobby Jones had they known he cheated on his wife? That would be interesting because there you would have the Patron Saint of the USGA...the pure amateur who played for the love of the game. That would have been your comparison.

As for me I never raise my nose to someone else's flaws. Tiger cheated on his wife, but I have no idea about there situation. What if they had an open marriage like many famous people do. They have open marriages, but when news hits the streets they seperate over the embarrassment. The fact is...I don't really know and neither do you.

John Daly claimed to have some inside knowledge and gave an interview where he brought it up. I won't post it, but its not hard to find.

Where I have always drawn the line (and this if for me personally) is what they do on the course or the arena. I have always enjoyed cheering for someone breaking records and writing history...its the historian in me. If Phil had won this year's Masters I would have enjoyed cheering for him to win his fifth and sixth to tie Jack.

So you "hate" the way he acts, but you're not a hater. The rest of us who don't like how he behaves are haters. Nice logic.

PS: Please provide some citations for Jones cheating on his wife.

Regarding Jones, that was a hypothetical.

I have heard somethings from golf historians but none of it has substance and at best is hear say. Regarding stories like that, there is no way of knowing if the stories are real or was that just gossip back in the day.

Hagen however was beloved in his day and it was well known that he cheated on his wife repeatedly. Did that tarnish his image...no...if anything it may have enhanced it.

Slicer_1

Professional Champion

# 18 5/8/2012 11:26:54 AM

See that's what i was saying it was almost expected in their day. Now not so much.

MikeNomgi

Professional Champion

# 19 5/8/2012 11:31:40 AM

Different era, different sport. Plus Tiger had this straight and narrow demeaner to him so it was more of a shock than the boozing and cigar smoking vulgar Babe Ruth. Besides how come there wasn't as much of an uproar when Jordans indiscretions came to light?

Slicer I will push you a bit on the generational thing. If anything our generation is much more loose morally than it was in the 1930's. The divorce rate is 50% plus.

I can't argue that its a different sport, but Walter Hagen was quite cavalier cheating on his wife that it was a big joke in the press. To the modern era name a bigtime superstar who hasn't cheated on his spouse? Heck some people are accused of rape and still remain symbols for their sport. And I can think of two different sports on that comment.

Maybe the question is who got duped? If someone bought into how Tiger was marketed isn't that their fault? I personally don't believe I know Tiger, Phil, Rory or any professional athlete any better than I know the next stranger that walk by. But some people bought into the ad campaign and now they are upset.

If you dislike (hate) Tiger for his behavior on the course that is fine with me. I "hate" the way he acts when he screws up, and I don't think it was ever this bad when his dad was alive.

I wonder how people would have felt about Bobby Jones had they known he cheated on his wife? That would be interesting because there you would have the Patron Saint of the USGA...the pure amateur who played for the love of the game. That would have been your comparison.

As for me I never raise my nose to someone else's flaws. Tiger cheated on his wife, but I have no idea about there situation. What if they had an open marriage like many famous people do. They have open marriages, but when news hits the streets they seperate over the embarrassment. The fact is...I don't really know and neither do you.

John Daly claimed to have some inside knowledge and gave an interview where he brought it up. I won't post it, but its not hard to find.

Where I have always drawn the line (and this if for me personally) is what they do on the course or the arena. I have always enjoyed cheering for someone breaking records and writing history...its the historian in me. If Phil had won this year's Masters I would have enjoyed cheering for him to win his fifth and sixth to tie Jack.

So you "hate" the way he acts, but you're not a hater. The rest of us who don't like how he behaves are haters. Nice logic.

PS: Please provide some citations for Jones cheating on his wife.

Regarding Jones, that was a hypothetical.

I have heard somethings from golf historians but none of it has substance and at best is hear say. Regarding stories like that, there is no way of knowing if the stories are real or was that just gossip back in the day.

Hagen however was beloved in his day and it was well known that he cheated on his wife repeatedly. Did that tarnish his image...no...if anything it may have enhanced it.

Your take on Hagen is interesting. When Hagen was playing there was no TV. This was not the sort of thing that was discussed on what little radio existed. There were really no contemporeanous books on Hagen.

Please explain if you would, how in the world it was well known by the golf fans of the day that he cheated on his wife repeatedly.

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 20 5/9/2012 12:40:21 AM

It seems that TW has disappointed a lot of people on this site. He would like you all to get over it and move on. He would also like you all to know that he loves you all.

Actually, I think your first statement hit the nail on the head, the "disappointment" factor. Tiger VERY MUCH presented himself to be something very different than what he was. He also took that even further, doing a ton to market himself to children. That creates a different dynamic than a guy who is immoral, unfaithful, etcetera and everyone has always known that's what he is. The deception/disappointment factor is huge IMO.

As to the other points, I'm sure he does want everyone to move on. But actions have consequences, and him wishing that would happen doesn't make it so.

As to the last point, I have no evidence that is the case. Has Tiger ever proclaimed his love for us? And if so, has he done anything to indicate that his faithfulness and commitment to us has risen above the level he showed toward his wife and children?

njgolfer

Legend

# 21 5/9/2012 5:55:59 AM

What turned me off as to Tiger was the hyperbole that preceeded him. Not in terms of his golfing talent but how Earl Woods declared how he would be bigger then Ghandi and some other historical figures. Now I understand parental pride but along the way the Woods camp felt they were untouchable to criticism. My how they learned since that eventful night.

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