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72Wannabe
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Can a golfer get better playing with 3 players who are not as good? I ask because I've been playing with the same 2 or 3 guys for about two years now. They are still stuck in the 90's and low 100's. I've moved my game to the 80's and while we aren't really competing against each other, we are aware of how everyone's is doing in a round and they give me a hard time when someone does beat me on a hole. Obviously we get along and enjoy playing together since we've played together for this long.

I guess there is a difference between us and our approach to golf since none of them really watch golf on tv, don't read about golf and think a golf site such as this is "silly". They are not improving because they really aren't trying to disect their swings and learn how to improve. They just enjoying going out and playing golf and if they score poorly they don't "lose sleep" over it. If I have a bad round, I'm thinking about it all week. They would never go out and play a round alone and I'd play alone every time if that's what I had to do to play golf. I eat, sleep and drink golf.

We are friends off the course as well so upsetting them is not an option. I don't want to dump these guys at all but am just wondering if I would get better if I played with players better than me.

Interested to know your thoughts. Do you really have to play with better golfers to improve?

72Wannabe
itbeZ
Professional Champion
 
# 1    3/29/2010 10:28:28 PM   
Well, that is a wonderful topic you bring up. I have 2 sets of golf friends. I am a self mastery type of person and I want to improve. One set of guys that I golf with, RG is a borderline scratch and RT is 100+ and is just glad to be out. I would like to beat RG but that is all driven by me.

The other set of guys are also 100+ guys and they want to get better but don't put the time in to do so. EO is very competitive and driven but like I said, won't put the time in. KC has a lot of potential and the same applies to him. ED is not as actually @ my skill level and probably a bit better but can't get out much ....

I think that if you are driven to get better you will no matter the partners. So, No would be my answer. After all, it is an individual's game but it doesn't hurt to have another goal to shoot for. No pun intended ......

PEACE


cogolfer1
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# 2    3/29/2010 10:36:59 PM   
Interesting topic 72. I do think about this sometimes and can see how this works. The first time I broke 100 I played with a guy who I never met and got along with really well. Few months later I played 9 holes on the same course with 3 guys that really pissed me off and I shot 58. Month earlier played with another guy I enjoyed company with and shot mid 90-s for the first time. Just to add with that I was unsure if he was playing 9 or 18 and around the 8th or 7th I was pleading we would have another 9 together and I usually plead to be by my lonesome. Anyway I think you need to play with someone right at your skill level. Don't play with Tiger Woods one round and Charles Barkley the next. Play with people that you know and are friends with, and someone who plays like you do.


itbeZ
Professional Champion
 
# 3    3/29/2010 10:41:55 PM   

Interesting topic 72. I do think about this sometimes and can see how this works. The first time I broke 100 I played with a guy who I never met and got along with really well. Few months later I played 9 holes on the same course with 3 guys that really pissed me off and I shot 58. Month earlier played with another guy I enjoyed company with and shot mid 90-s for the first time. Just to add with that I was unsure if he was playing 9 or 18 and around the 8th or 7th I was pleading we would have another 9 together and I usually plead to be by my lonesome. Anyway I think you need to play with someone right at your skill level. Don't play with Tiger Woods one round and Charles Barkley the next. Play with people that you know and are friends with, and someone who plays like you do.


CO, I also enjoy a round with guys that I may join. It does bring something out of you. I could be sense of calm, or it could be the drive to not embarrass yourself. But that is a great dimension that you have added .....


Mongo68
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# 4    3/30/2010 6:10:44 AM   
For me, it doesn't really matter. Usually, I'm so focused on what I need to do that I sometimes catch myself walking in my own little world. Like someone draining a 30 foot putt and I'm to focused on what I need to do that I don't even comment on what other players are doing. So for me, I can stay pretty focused regardless of the company, I just need to be more aware of others.

Now if I was playing with a group of beer guzzling, cigar smoking, yelling, cursing, no etiquette to speak of hackers, then, yes, that will get to me over a round, but it wold take an extreme like that to throw me off.

I'm a pretty decent player and of all my golf friends I only play with 1 or 2 others who can consistently score lower than me. 80-90% of the time I'm playing with people that play worse. In the last couple of years, I've brought my handicap down from 16 to 9. But I feel I'm fighting a losing battle against age now as my 9 hole scores are lower than my age of 41.


HIGH_LANDER
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# 5    3/30/2010 7:36:54 AM   

Interesting topic 72. I do think about this sometimes and can see how this works. The first time I broke 100 I played with a guy who I never met and got along with really well. Few months later I played 9 holes on the same course with 3 guys that really pissed me off and I shot 58. Month earlier played with another guy I enjoyed company with and shot mid 90-s for the first time. Just to add with that I was unsure if he was playing 9 or 18 and around the 8th or 7th I was pleading we would have another 9 together and I usually plead to be by my lonesome. Anyway I think you need to play with someone right at your skill level. Don't play with Tiger Woods one round and Charles Barkley the next. Play with people that you know and are friends with, and someone who plays like you do.

i disagree.Cogolfer.no DISRESPECT on you.we cool,little man.ok,lets move on! i like to play with golfers with a low handicap,makes me play better.i can also pick up tips without saying a word.i like to see thier long game and thier short game,and thier up/down,& bunker play.thier putting.thier Tempo,never rushing,always in control.And i do think you need to play with Better golfer to IMPROVE! thats just me,not DISHING,any one


Duckhunter
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# 6    3/30/2010 8:50:44 AM   
The friends you play with do push you to play your best. If they give you a hard time if you get beat on one hole, then I'm sure you try very hard not to get beat not even one hole. Playing with a golfer that is better then you sometimes you will not play your game trying to beat them. That is not good. You are playing yourself out there always. For me it's not who is playing with me, it's I'm playing myself to do better then I have done before. It is good to play with others that are very good to see how they play shots? When do they go for it or play it safe? Their short game should be good. What clubs are they useing around the green and why. Just play the game your best every time and enjoy the time your out there and you will get better.


HIGH_LANDER
Legend
 
# 7    3/30/2010 9:25:00 AM   

The friends you play with do push you to play your best. If they give you a hard time if you get beat on one hole, then I'm sure you try very hard not to get beat not even one hole. Playing with a golfer that is better then you sometimes you will not play your game trying to beat them. That is not good. You are playing yourself out there always. For me it's not who is playing with me, it's I'm playing myself to do better then I have done before. It is good to play with others that are very good to see how they play shots? When do they go for it or play it safe? Their short game should be good. What clubs are they useing around the green and why. Just play the game your best every time and enjoy the time your out there and you will get better.

Duck,if i could pick a dream team pick from GolfQ.i would pick the following and a reason why?
JosephLeone ( 7.7. handicap ) hitting from the tips
Dandy ( 7 Handicap ) hitting from the tips
duckhunter ( 15 handicap ) hitting from the whites
Cogolfer1 ( 24.2. handicap ) hitting from the red & white
Danielgarcia ( 18 handicap ) hitting from the gold
i know,this would be a great game.your thoughts? oh by the way dont forget to bring your A-Game,cause this old man will never back down! back at you!


Duckhunter
Legend
 
# 8    3/30/2010 9:46:49 AM   


The friends you play with do push you to play your best. If they give you a hard time if you get beat on one hole, then I'm sure you try very hard not to get beat not even one hole. Playing with a golfer that is better then you sometimes you will not play your game trying to beat them. That is not good. You are playing yourself out there always. For me it's not who is playing with me, it's I'm playing myself to do better then I have done before. It is good to play with others that are very good to see how they play shots? When do they go for it or play it safe? Their short game should be good. What clubs are they useing around the green and why. Just play the game your best every time and enjoy the time your out there and you will get better.

Duck,if i could pick a dream team pick from GolfQ.i would pick the following and a reason why?
JosephLeone ( 7.7. handicap ) hitting from the tips
Dandy ( 7 Handicap ) hitting from the tips
duckhunter ( 15 handicap ) hitting from the whites
Cogolfer1 ( 24.2. handicap ) hitting from the red & white
Danielgarcia ( 18 handicap ) hitting from the gold
i know,this would be a great game.your thoughts? oh by the way dont forget to bring your A-Game,cause this old man will never back down! back at you!


Danielgarica hitting from the gold???????? Are the gold in front of the reds? LOL Bring it. would Love to play some golf with you. Only thing is not a 15 handicap right. It's about 17 or 18. I have a card now and have not been posting my last 5 to 10 rounds on here.


howasam
Legend
 
# 9    3/30/2010 9:50:41 AM   
Very good topic 72. My point of view is this. I usualy play better when I end up playing with complete strangers. It doesn't matter how good they are. Although when I play with a really good player it kind of screws with my head a little. You know I stand there and watch him hit good shot after good shot, then I want to do it just like him and start asking for tips, and the next thing you know I'm all screwed up! The guys I normally play with are at my skill level and I find that my handicap is steadilly dropping so I am happy where I am at. I would say the answer to question is no,.


HIGH_LANDER
Legend
 
# 10    3/30/2010 9:55:45 AM   



The friends you play with do push you to play your best. If they give you a hard time if you get beat on one hole, then I'm sure you try very hard not to get beat not even one hole. Playing with a golfer that is better then you sometimes you will not play your game trying to beat them. That is not good. You are playing yourself out there always. For me it's not who is playing with me, it's I'm playing myself to do better then I have done before. It is good to play with others that are very good to see how they play shots? When do they go for it or play it safe? Their short game should be good. What clubs are they useing around the green and why. Just play the game your best every time and enjoy the time your out there and you will get better.

Duck,if i could pick a dream team pick from GolfQ.i would pick the following and a reason why?
JosephLeone ( 7.7. handicap ) hitting from the tips
Dandy ( 7 Handicap ) hitting from the tips
duckhunter ( 15 handicap ) hitting from the whites
Cogolfer1 ( 24.2. handicap ) hitting from the red & white
Danielgarcia ( 18 handicap ) hitting from the gold
i know,this would be a great game.your thoughts? oh by the way dont forget to bring your A-Game,cause this old man will never back down! back at you!


Danielgarica hitting from the gold???????? Are the gold in front of the reds? LOL Bring it. would Love to play some golf with you. Only thing is not a 15 handicap right. It's about 17 or 18. I have a card now and have not been posting my last 5 to 10 rounds on here.

you got it,next time your in Houston,let me know,i'll get a tee time. links or tight faiways,your choice?


cogolfer1
LowIndex
 
# 11    3/30/2010 10:14:51 AM   


Interesting topic 72. I do think about this sometimes and can see how this works. The first time I broke 100 I played with a guy who I never met and got along with really well. Few months later I played 9 holes on the same course with 3 guys that really pissed me off and I shot 58. Month earlier played with another guy I enjoyed company with and shot mid 90-s for the first time. Just to add with that I was unsure if he was playing 9 or 18 and around the 8th or 7th I was pleading we would have another 9 together and I usually plead to be by my lonesome. Anyway I think you need to play with someone right at your skill level. Don't play with Tiger Woods one round and Charles Barkley the next. Play with people that you know and are friends with, and someone who plays like you do.

i disagree.Cogolfer.no DISRESPECT on you.we cool,little man.ok,lets move on! i like to play with golfers with a low handicap,makes me play better.i can also pick up tips without saying a word.i like to see thier long game and thier short game,and thier up/down,& bunker play.thier putting.thier Tempo,never rushing,always in control.And i do think you need to play with Better golfer to IMPROVE! thats just me,not DISHING,any one


Maybe it's just me but the reason why I think this is because I find I'll start trying to hard to play like them, or I'll get nervous in front of them and play bad. We all have different styles of play and mindsets of play. That's the way I think it should be done.


72Wannabe
Legend
 
# 12    3/30/2010 10:25:02 AM   
Thanks for all of the responses. I can see how this could go either way depending on your perspective.

I can see how you would play better golf by being comfortable and "under no pressure". But I can also see how you could play better by having to "man up" so to speak.

In other sports, athletes tend to play better when they are playing with better athletes and I think the same would hold true for golf AS LONG AS you could control the pressure of the moment and not let the mental aspect of the game get to you.

I do like the comment about being able to see how better golfers approach the same shots. Sure, they may be more consistent in many areas (that's what makes them better to begin with), but I bet you can learn alot by just watching their strategy on a golf shot or an entire hole.


HIGH_LANDER
Legend
 
# 13    3/30/2010 10:33:48 AM   



Interesting topic 72. I do think about this sometimes and can see how this works. The first time I broke 100 I played with a guy who I never met and got along with really well. Few months later I played 9 holes on the same course with 3 guys that really pissed me off and I shot 58. Month earlier played with another guy I enjoyed company with and shot mid 90-s for the first time. Just to add with that I was unsure if he was playing 9 or 18 and around the 8th or 7th I was pleading we would have another 9 together and I usually plead to be by my lonesome. Anyway I think you need to play with someone right at your skill level. Don't play with Tiger Woods one round and Charles Barkley the next. Play with people that you know and are friends with, and someone who plays like you do.

i disagree.Cogolfer.no DISRESPECT on you.we cool,little man.ok,lets move on! i like to play with golfers with a low handicap,makes me play better.i can also pick up tips without saying a word.i like to see thier long game and thier short game,and thier up/down,& bunker play.thier putting.thier Tempo,never rushing,always in control.And i do think you need to play with Better golfer to IMPROVE! thats just me,not DISHING,any one


Maybe it's just me but the reason why I think this is because I find I'll start trying to hard to play like them, or I'll get nervous in front of them and play bad. We all have different styles of play and mindsets of play. That's the way I think it should be done.

I agree,Sunday.when i played i was playing with different friends and strangers.and at the tee box,there was a line of carts,20 people just waiting.im on the 1st tee box and the wind pick up,it feels like forever,and im just standing there waiting for the wind to stop,15 seconds later,i release the club and the balls goes down the middle of the fairway.nice,but i had a lot of eyes watching,not use to it,hate to mess up,lol


OtterMan08
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# 14    3/30/2010 11:17:00 AM   
Just a thought, but if you want to get better, instead of getting new partners. Why don't you try to find some local tournaments to play in? Nothing like a little real competition to put some pressure on your game.


HIGH_LANDER
Legend
 
# 15    3/30/2010 11:22:24 AM   

Just a thought, but if you want to get better, instead of getting new partners. Why don't you try to find some local tournaments to play in? Nothing like a little real competition to put some pressure on your game.

Thats what im doing.i join a group and we play every two weeks on a sunday. a great group of men & women,lots of fun.and one way to learn the rules real fast.ask first if you dont know,thats what i like.


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