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I think scrambling is the same as 'up & down'. When you don't hit the GIR but make par. Bounce back has to do with when you make bogey on a hole, how do you do on the next. Par or better gets you the bounce back.

There is a different statistic for Up & Down which is different than Scrambling. It must be something else.

Most of what I found defines scrambling as 'the ability to score par or better when playing erratically or from trouble'. There was some discussion before as to what constitutes an 'up & down'. Stracka defines up and down and making par or better with a GIR.

Scrambling on this site appears to be a calculated field. I'm sure we'll figure it out once we start entering new scores.

without a GIR

Scrabling is when a player makes par or better when missing the green in regulation. Up and downs is simply 1-putting. If you are in the bunker and you blast out and then hole the putt, you got "up and down". If you two putt, you did not get up and down. You can up and down from the middle of the fairway from 100 yds out. You can get up and down from the greenside rough, lying 11 on a par 3, you'd just be getting up and down for a 12. Hope that makes sense.

Dandy you're thinking of 'Up and In'

From Stracka:
Up and Down
A "Made" up-and-down is a score of par on a hole without a "Green in Regulation". A "Missed" up-and-down is a failed attempt at saving par on a hole without a "Green in Regulation".
From the PGA Tour:
Scrambling is the % of par or better without a GIR

This was a hot topic before. However, Stracka has taken into account that some people score an up & down as a chip and a 1 putt. Therefore, now the scrambling stat is a calculated field.

How would you score it Dandy?

What if you hole your bunker shot for a 4 on a par 3? Is that an up & down? No putts, no par, no sandie.

In my book, it's just a nice bunker save for bogey.

Bounce Back:
Par or better on a hole immediately after a Bogey or worse.

Scrambling:
Par or better on a hole without a Green in Regulation

Up & Down:
Most of the time, this is the same as Scrambling. However, we are auto-calculating your Scrambles when you enter #Putts with HBH Scores. Many chose to enter their own Up/Down statistic b/c they have their own definition. For instance, Joe gives himself and Up/Down when he lies 2 near the green on a par 5, gets up and in for birdie. This would NOT count as a Scramble b/c he made the GIR.

Thanks Greenreader. It is good having you look over our shoulders.

OK ... I now understand Bounce Back very clearly ... that's easy enough. But Scrambling still has me a bit confused. I define an Up & Down as defined by Stracka ... making par without a GIR. Just getting on the green and 1-putting ... no matter what the score ... is not an Up & Down. And if a successful Scrambling is the same as an Up & Down, why wouldn't the percentages be the same? I enter my scores HBH with the putts. When we could see the putts per hole, I'd ask someone to send me a message privately to explain a round I have played that has a difference in the Scrambling and Up & Down percentages so I don't prolong this thread ... but that view has been removed. I don't mean to be obtuse ... I'm just trying to understand how it is determined. Thanks for your help.

AZ - Your response is exactly why we have both statistics. You define Up/Down just as we do Scrambling, so there really is no need to keep an Up/Down since we do it for you with Scrambling. Scrambling and Up/Down to you is one in the same.

But this just isn't the case for all members. As I said earlier, Joe gives himself and U/D when he birdies a Par 5 when his second shot is around the green. Not everyone does this.....its basically User Defined.

Up/Down = User Defined

Greenreader - EUREKA! I have figured it out! I looked back at all my rounds and found 6 of the 53 rounds I have posted that had a different number of U/Ds from the number of Scramblings. In each round, I had one more U/D than Scrambling. What was the difference? It was the same thing in each round. NO PUTTS ON A HOLE THAT I MADE PAR!!! Again, thanks for your help and tolerance in helping me understand.

AZ - You found a bug. Thanks. I fixed it for future scores.

However, your score of 71 on 1/16 does not have the correct Up/Down statistic. On hole 10, which is a Par 4, you scored a 3 with 0 Putts. This counts as a Scramble b/c you birdied w/o a GIR. Traditionally, this counts as an U/D as well, but U/D definition is up to you.

On the same scorecard, hole 13, Par 3 - you scored a par with another 0 putt hole. You counted the U/D. This is correct and so is the Scramble.

The bug - I wasn't calculating Scrambles unless there was a putt. 0 Putts were not calculating.

Glad I could help. Thanks for the info on my round. And I noticed that there is more info when looking at a round now than before. Kudos for the changes!