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NormanLangJr Professional Champion
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http://www.pga.com/news/golf-b.. One of the dumber golf rules, IMO.
Vincedaddy Legend
# 1 6/1/2014 8:00:40 PM
Or the contrast between these two situations. 1) Your ball is hit by another ball, you are allowed to replace it. 2) Your ball lands in someones footprint in a bunker, play it as it lies. 3) There is a ball mark in your line of putt, you can repair. 4) There are spike marks in your line of putt, cannot repair. Situation 1, cause is accident, not really preventable. Situation 2, breech of ettiquette, completly preventable. Situation 3, should have been repaired by the owner of guilty ball, but you can fix it. Situation 4, same as #2
cogolfer1 LowIndex
# 2 6/1/2014 8:59:09 PM
Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.
HIGH_LANDER Legend
# 3 6/2/2014 12:07:35 PM
DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A 10 SECOND RULE!
njgolfer Legend
# 4 6/2/2014 12:15:10 PM
DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A 10 SECOND RULE! There is for food that falls from the buffet.
ArizonaBlue Professional Champion
# 5 6/2/2014 2:31:50 PM
Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake. Or C-3 explosions a la Caddyshack!
Mark Simmons Legend
# 6 6/3/2014 4:41:30 PM
Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake. It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest."
Mongo68 Legend
# 7 6/3/2014 4:45:07 PM
Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake. It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest." But you can't hit a ball that is still moving.
OtterMan08 Legend
# 8 6/3/2014 5:27:53 PM
Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake. It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest." But you can't hit a ball that is still moving. I forget who it was, but somebody got a penalty for that a few years back. The live shot >> clearly << showed the ball moving. It wasn't moving very fast but the guy got penalized anyway which in my opinion was pretty bogus!
Mark Simmons Legend
# 9 6/4/2014 12:43:17 AM
Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake. It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest." But you can't hit a ball that is still moving. But according to this rule "it is deemed to be at rest." Mind you, I'm not trying to defend the rule, just trying to understand what it says.
PhilippeR Professional Champion
# 10 6/4/2014 12:24:21 PM
But according to this rule "it is deemed to be at rest." Mind you, I'm not trying to defend the rule, just trying to understand what it says. Yes, but that rule wouldn't come into question until after the putt stops rolling, i.e. is no longer moving, but hanging on the lip. Then other things (gravity, wind, humidity, gravitational pull of the moon...) can still make it fall into the hole if given enough time. However this rule limits the time for which this can happen to 10s. It is not meant to mean 10s from the time the putt is hit (some putts can take longer than that to reach the hole!), but after the putt stops AND the player is near the hole (as we see often, players take a leisure pace to walk the distance to the hole in that case...)

NormanLangJr

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http://www.pga.com/news/golf-b..

One of the dumber golf rules, IMO.

Vincedaddy

Legend

# 1 6/1/2014 8:00:40 PM

Or the contrast between these two situations.

1) Your ball is hit by another ball, you are allowed to replace it.

2) Your ball lands in someones footprint in a bunker, play it as it lies.

3) There is a ball mark in your line of putt, you can repair.

4) There are spike marks in your line of putt, cannot repair.

Situation 1, cause is accident, not really preventable.

Situation 2, breech of ettiquette, completly preventable.

Situation 3, should have been repaired by the owner of guilty ball, but you can fix it.

Situation 4, same as #2

cogolfer1

LowIndex

# 2 6/1/2014 8:59:09 PM

Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.

HIGH_LANDER

Legend

# 3 6/2/2014 12:07:35 PM

DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A 10 SECOND RULE!

njgolfer

Legend

# 4 6/2/2014 12:15:10 PM

DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A 10 SECOND RULE!

There is for food that falls from the buffet.

ArizonaBlue

Professional Champion

# 5 6/2/2014 2:31:50 PM

Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.

Or C-3 explosions a la Caddyshack!

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 6 6/3/2014 4:41:30 PM

Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.

It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest."

Mongo68

Legend

# 7 6/3/2014 4:45:07 PM

Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.

It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest."

But you can't hit a ball that is still moving.

OtterMan08

Legend

# 8 6/3/2014 5:27:53 PM

Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.

It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest."

But you can't hit a ball that is still moving.

I forget who it was, but somebody got a penalty for that a few years back. The live shot >> clearly << showed the ball moving. It wasn't moving very fast but the guy got penalized anyway which in my opinion was pretty bogus!

Mark Simmons

Legend

# 9 6/4/2014 12:43:17 AM

Well Langley's ball according to the CBS announcers was still moving as it laid on the lip of the hole. You can't hit a moving ball obviously, so it wouldn't have mattered in this case if the ball "moved" for a minute and then fell in. It'd still be a birdie. I do find the 10 second rule OK, because generally speaking when you see your ball hanging on the edge, you stand there for at least 5 seconds in shock. Then you start moving, and your 10 seconds start. If the ball doesn't fall in at least 15 seconds, it's probably not going to fall unless there's an earthquake.

It's a weird rule to be sure. But I'm not sure the rule makers would interpret this the same way you have Ethan. The rule says, that after the allotted time if the ball "has not fallen into the hole, it is deemed to be at rest."

But you can't hit a ball that is still moving.

But according to this rule "it is deemed to be at rest." Mind you, I'm not trying to defend the rule, just trying to understand what it says.

PhilippeR

Professional Champion

# 10 6/4/2014 12:24:21 PM

But according to this rule "it is deemed to be at rest." Mind you, I'm not trying to defend the rule, just trying to understand what it says.

Yes, but that rule wouldn't come into question until after the putt stops rolling, i.e. is no longer moving, but hanging on the lip. Then other things (gravity, wind, humidity, gravitational pull of the moon...) can still make it fall into the hole if given enough time. However this rule limits the time for which this can happen to 10s.

It is not meant to mean 10s from the time the putt is hit (some putts can take longer than that to reach the hole!), but after the putt stops AND the player is near the hole (as we see often, players take a leisure pace to walk the distance to the hole in that case...)

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