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I'm having a little trouble following this. It sounds like you are asking the pro to have someone hit a few clubs to simulate playing a hole on the range to evaluate their ability to play on the course. He responds telling you, not to try playing on the course. It doesn't sound like he's answering the question you propose in the first place.

Beyond that, why wouldn't a student try to take what he's just learned to the course as soon as possible to test his new found knowledge. If the instruction is sound, putting it on the course should only serve to ingrain the instruction. If the player "instantly abandon good form and tempo when they look out on a long fairway", either the student has no faith in the the instruction he's just paid for or the instructor isn't very good to start with.

We are back to the concept of a "hothouse" swing. A swing that only works on the range is only useful on the range. I don't post scores from the range, only from the course.

Otter, for a smart guy, you are really dumb! This is about Larry spilling his most inner thoughts and confessions about himself. Pay attention dude...........
Larry wants to take his range game to the course so he can finally post some scores for us all to admire. But his Pro thinks he isn't ready yet for the course. After all, there's more money waiting to be slipped into Larry's Pro's pocket the longer he stays at the range taking lessons. Simple really.
Now, carry on.................

We "could" discuss this without the gratuitous personal attacks-- that always ruin the thread.

Or, we could discuss his point, that most students don't leave a golf swing lesson and do their homework to ingrain what they learned on the lesson tee. Instead, they go to the course and play the same old, same old. So they don't benefit at all from a golf lesson. In fact if they try to make a swing change without first ingraining it with buckets of balls and possibly another follow-up lesson, they will be worse than before! Same mistakes, but confused.

A swing change is difficult even for the few who are diligent enough to ingrain it. A swing change is impossible for most.

So he teaches with a short iron and wouldn't dream of asking the student to hit his driver. Most teachers will ask a new student to bring a short iron instead of any long club. The lesson will be given with that. Lessons with long clubs can only follow weeks of drills and practice with a short iron--

So the pro really doesn't want to see what a student who can barely swing a short iron can do with his driver. It will be ugly!

Larry

His point is that nobody learns anything in one lesson. Even the most diligent of students can only learn what he should go away and teach himself. If we're lucky, we learn some "landmarks" to ensure we are doing it right-- so we can rehearse it in slow or stopped motion.

A student who came to a lesson unable to make a correct golf swing with a short iron will certainly be unable to make a decent driver swing at the end of that lesson. So the pro really doesn't want to see the swing that will happen on the course if that guy goes out to play.

However, if I am scheduled to play in a few days, I always bring my driver and ask him to help me get that swing right--especially if I am making a swing change such as to incorporate an earlier full wrist set. He cringes, then agrees, and we work another 15 minutes to get it right. "Take it up and stop. lay it off more. More leg action in the downswing! Hold your head behind the ball. Your head should go down as your butt moves away from the ball during the backswing." And after a dozen swings at LESS THAN MAXIMUM SPEED, I start hitting them long and with draw, a good swing we see in the video and the ball flight. Driver swing are theoretically the same, but much different from a 9i swing.

Larry

Or, we could discuss his point, that most students don't leave a golf swing lesson and do their homework to ingrain what they learned on the lesson tee. Instead, they go to the course and play the same old, same old. So they don't benefit at all from a golf lesson. In fact if they try to make a swing change without first ingraining it with buckets of balls and possibly another follow-up lesson, they will be worse than before! Same mistakes, but confused.

A swing change is difficult even for the few who are diligent enough to ingrain it. A swing change is impossible for most.


Sounds like Larry's confessional.
I never had those issues Larry. I hit it long and straight from as far back as I can remember. My pro only worked with me with my short game. and that was ONLY upon my request. In fact, he encouraged me to go to the course and, well, "air it out" were his words if I remember correctly. He said if I had any problems then come back and we would work on them.
So, seems like your pro may have a different view than other pros. Doesn't mean your pro is right and others ae wrong. Maybe it means there is more than one way to skin a cat. so quit your mundane preaching. Your pro isn't God, and your game isn't half as good as mine so quit preaching old man. Your mantra is so old it's fermenting.

MOMMY BUTTON.....!

Ok.. first off: What warped, narcissistic, deep from the bowels of Hell, kind of golf pro would think that??? THE WHOLE PURPOSE TO TAKE LESSONS IS TO PLAY BETTER ON THE GOLF COURSE.... NOT THE RANGE....Larry, your posts are like fingernails on a chalkboard. Really??? Do us all a favor.. shoot your golf pro, cook more with Paula Deen, and watch Duck Dynasty. Hey Larry... I'm kidding, of course. You definitely bring spice to the website.

What he said...^^^^^^^^.

Now Larry just look! Once again you have proven what an ignorant fool you are when you try to BS everyone here about your knowledge of golf. Why don't you just shut up and go away! Here is the proof:
You just basically said that your pro (who you blindly defend), says is it fruitless to send a student to the course because they will fail with the longer clubs. Are you insinuating that there is some major swing difference between the longer clubs and the shorter irons that your pro has students use when he teaches the proper swing?
(now it's Larry time. Time for an honest answer from Larry...)
...the clock is ticking Larry........well, ........???????
OK. time is up Larry.
Here is an old post of yours which tells about how the short iron swing, (wedge), builds the foundation for the longer club swings. So if this post is true, then why would it be so difficult for a student to play a round of golf after learning sound mechanics with the short irons? Hmm?

enjoy reading another of your old BS lies Larry:

( To quote Bob Toski and Jim Flick and other famous teachers, the fundamentals of the pitch shot are identical to those of a full shot. They advised that when time is short before a tee-time, just rehearse pitching and chipping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v..

Shots with longer clubs are this same movement amplified, with identical fundamentals.

If you think this is easy, post a video of your swing.

Larry

So, do you think Toski and Flick might be a tad smarter than YOUR PRO ?

BWAHAHAHAHA............

You're wrong. But you apparently don't know that. You really should meander by and sit down with an experienced teaching pro. Ask him what happens during lessons and what happens to most students long term. You may learn something.

I believe good players are good on both the range and the course. They can hit all their clubs straight and the predicted distances. Just as we see the pros do, they first do that on the range, then they go to the first tee.

Those who can play a musical instrument FIRST learned it in the practice room. HOURS AND HOURS and then they can bring out their instrument and entertain.

Larry

See Larry... why the hateful attitude?? This is supposed to be FUN... recreational.. I would love to play you on the golf course.. Really... I would...

Musical instrument, dance step, slow motion, .......really?
I'd rather watch grass grow. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

Seriously Larry??? I have been trying for 10 minutes to type up how wrong your pro is but I do not have the time to write a book tonight. All that I can say is that I hope he does not have more than one kid because he is relying on you to put them through collage.

Larry would you please post the name of your pro, as to warn everyone one here to stay away from?

The purpose of taking a lesson is to make sure you NEVER make your way out to the course. Let's just keep all that knowledge he spewed on the range so you have the best slow motion golf swing out there! Ha, Ha

Anyone ever notice that for 6 months Larry has been singing the virtues of a Pro who has not taught him a lick about scoring?? You never impart knowledge of a recent lesson about getting low scores, which is the point of golf. He teaches you the same tired stuff... the basic golf swing. There's nothing wrong with that, but it ends there. That means you are picking up NOTHING from there! You can't score on the golf course and you don't know where to go from the basic golf swing.

Quick Larry... How do hit a flop shot??? How do read a double breaking birdie putt??? How do you hit a sand shot when you're short sided and need a par save???

Blah, blah, blah, blah... your Pro is laughing all the way to the bank.

Larry, I was not even going to respond to your rubbish. You or your friend the golf instructors premise is that unless you have a 0 handicap you should stay off of the course. You need help.

Um...the golf course IS the swing test.

The game is played on the course, not the driving range.