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I have a question that I would like some responses to; I played a round with one of my usual foursomes yesterday. We did not happen to bet anything this time but often we do as one (Rick ) in the group really likes to bet as "it makes him try harder!" . Rick is about a 16 handicap and tends to know exactly how much he is ahead or behind. As we got to the 18th green, which is a par 5, Rick was 4, about 15 yards off the green and proceeded to have a rare brain fart and hit three shots back and forth over the green. He then picked up his ball and said "I can't post more than a 7, so I have an 84 for the day. My comment was you can post a 7 but your score would have to be more, probably 3 more strokes, one to chip on and two putts. Otherwise it seems like it should be a DNF. His comment later at lunch to the other two in the group was that if we are not betting then he will just pick up at 7 in the future.
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| # 1 8/11/2012 4:24:49 PM |
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I'm sure the group behind you was very grateful they didn't have to watch Rick plumb bobbing his 4th putt for an 11.
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| # 2 8/11/2012 6:34:32 PM |
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16 and picking up for 84..........that is 12...guess he's loosing some shots
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| # 3 8/11/2012 7:51:20 PM |
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This site factors in ESC when doing handicap. I think that it is BS especially when a single digit golfer posts 4 or 5 rounds over 100 and their HDCP does not get effected because the ESC drops their score down to the mid to low 80s.
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| # 4 8/11/2012 7:55:55 PM |
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This site factors in ESC when doing handicap. I think that it is BS especially when a single digit golfer posts 4 or 5 rounds over 100 and their HDCP does not get effected because the ESC drops their score down to the mid to low 80s. IT's not BS, you just simply don't understand the HCAP system. IT's not a scoring average, if you want a scoring average, tally up your scores and divide them. The HCAP system is suppose to attempt to make a level playing field. The problem with people saying "oh I can only make a 7, 8" or "I won't bother posting this because it will just get spit out anyways" is that it still counts as one of your scores, what if you have a bad run? eventually some of those 20 scores are going to factor in. Every score should be posted. The other issue is that most people don't know what the max is that they can post and your friend is one of them. AS a 16 hcap, a 7 is NOT the max that he should be putting on his card if he picks up and as you mentioned, you don't just write the max down when you pick up, you estimate what you would have scored and then you write that number down with an x next to it. Then when all is said and done you do your ESC calculation and post the score. In the case of stracka, if you post hole by hole it will do the ESC calculation for you. |
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| # 5 8/11/2012 8:10:35 PM |
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IT's not BS, you just simply don't understand the HCAP system. I understand it 100% but I still believe it is BS. It is your "potential" playing ability. I don't think that there should be an ESC. When someone has 2-3 blowup holes every round and they are not factored in to their HDCP because of ESC, that is not showing the players true potential as a golfer. |
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| # 6 8/11/2012 10:03:06 PM |
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I guess the question is whether or not he can pick up. For hcp purposes he can pickup after 6 and call it 7. For competition he must finish the hole and the number of strokes it takes is the score for the hole. Later he can deduct any strokes over 7 from the total for posting. That is correct, and ESC is not something established by this site, it is a fixture of the USGA handicap system. |
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| # 7 8/12/2012 7:45:37 AM |
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I agree with CPFitness
The guy doesn't know ESC anyway. As a 16 his course index dictates his max ESC score is a 8 on a par five not 7. And he should put down his true score. If he posts hole by hole(which this guy will never do) it will adjust automatically, if posting total score only then he would post a 8 for that last hole no matter how high his score was. I'm sure he fluffs his ball and has generous gimme putts also |
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| # 8 8/12/2012 8:55:19 AM |
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Funny Stuff, I played with some guys recently that kept putting 8's on thier cards because that's all they could take (chuckle) . At the end of the round they were amazed that there scores where the same. I couldn't help but mention all the 8's they both kept taking might have had something to do with it.
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| # 9 8/12/2012 2:18:36 PM |
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IT's not BS, you just simply don't understand the HCAP system. I understand it 100% but I still believe it is BS. It is your "potential" playing ability. I don't think that there should be an ESC. When someone has 2-3 blowup holes every round and they are not factored in to their HDCP because of ESC, that is not showing the players true potential as a golfer. well you sh ould enjoy it because it means they are going to end up giving you strokes. I live in NYC. I rely on public transit to get to my golf course wich is a 36 hole facility. I'm a big guy, 6'3" 245 lbs personal trainer, I have no problem hitting the ball far. one of the 2 courses is 6400 yards and wide open, the other is 6700 and tight as all hell. I STRUGGLE on the tight course constantly. I've only broken 80 on it once. It just doesn't setup well for me whatsoever. I often have one or 2 blowup holes there. When I play the other course, I break 80 all the time. My hcap is right around 6. I don't think of it as giving me a false sense of ability. I've played other tough courses and done well but it's the super duper tight courses that give me trouble. florida golf courses that are 7300 yards with lots of water dont phase me one bit because they are open and give me good sight lines. I t hink the hcap system does a pretty good job of doing what it's supposed to do. certainly isn't perfect, but pretty darn good. Without ESC, players could easily blow up holes on purpose to keep their HCAPs higher and then you would be getting hustled when it's time to give out strokes |
