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Brian Watson Professional Champion
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I have found under rule 23-1 that no relief can be taken if the loose impediment lies in a bunker al la 23/3. So if I read this if the ball lies in front of a beer can in the bunker the beer can be moved since it is man made. 23/3 Half-Eaten Pear Q. A half-eaten pear lies directly in front of a ball in a bunker and there is no pear tree in the vicinity of the bunker. In the circumstances, is the pear an obstruction rather than a loose impediment, in which case the player could remove it without penalty? A. No. A pear is a natural object. When detached from a tree it is a loose impediment. The fact that a pear has been half-eaten and there is no pear tree in the vicinity does not alter the status of the pear.
dday39 Professional Champion
# 1 6/24/2011 7:05:25 AM
by that logic then, a beer can is not a natural object, and you could move it. However, if it was a goose turd....
armygrunt47 Professional Champion
# 2 6/24/2011 7:48:39 AM
The can is trash so it can be removed.
MikeNomgi Professional Champion
# 3 6/24/2011 7:48:50 AM
"The fact that a pear has been half-eaten and there is no pear tree in the vicinity does not alter the status of the pear." Wouldn't you love to alter the status of the neck of the guy who wrote that?
armygrunt47 Professional Champion
# 4 6/24/2011 7:56:12 AM
"The fact that a pear has been half-eaten and there is no pear tree in the vicinity does not alter the status of the pear." Wouldn't you love to alter the status of the neck of the guy who wrote that? Thats funny. I have an old rules book from the early 80s and they use this an the example expanation in it.
Brian Watson Professional Champion
# 5 6/24/2011 8:04:32 AM
I got the pear thing from the USGA Rules web below that talked about a dead land crab. cant move that either.
Slicer_1 Professional Champion
# 6 6/24/2011 8:44:40 AM
One would think that once a bite is taken out of the pear it then becomes trash and should be able to be removed. Man golf has some dumb rules.
greenjacket13 Legend
# 7 6/24/2011 9:25:25 AM
screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course and it shouldn't have been left in the bunker in the first place. etiquette is just as important. the bunkers should be free of crap and raked after someone exits.
MikeNomgi Professional Champion
# 8 6/24/2011 9:58:33 AM
screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course and it shouldn't have been left in the bunker in the first place. etiquette is just as important. the bunkers should be free of crap and raked after someone exits. "screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course" Thank goodness for men like Billy. Always looking out for what's best for Humankind. If I lived near him, I'd try and get the tee time right behind him so I'd never encounter a half-eaten pear in a bunker. :)
OtterMan08 Legend
# 9 6/24/2011 11:27:52 AM
There be some very twisted logic here. In the next section we learn that a banana peel is a loose impediment. How this differs substantially from a half eaten pear escapes me. How is the banana peel any less natural than the pear? What if the banana is only half eaten? What if the pear is fully eaten, leaving just the core? Is an intact uneaten banana a natural object? Then there's the whole snake vs. land crab debate. A dead snake is a loose impediment, a dead crab isn't. A live snake is an outside agency, what does that make a live crab? And what about squirrels? What if a live snake kills a squirrel while it's half way done eating a pear??? I'm with you guys on this one. Kill the snake, move the pear, drink the beer, throw the can at the squirrel and put me down for a five!
greenjacket13 Legend
# 10 6/24/2011 1:51:43 PM
screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course and it shouldn't have been left in the bunker in the first place. etiquette is just as important. the bunkers should be free of crap and raked after someone exits. "screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course" Thank goodness for men like Billy. Always looking out for what's best for Humankind. If I lived near him, I'd try and get the tee time right behind him so I'd never encounter a half-eaten pear in a bunker. :) i'm pretty obsessive about course maintenance. too funny, Mike. what if i'm not sure that it's my pear? can i pick it up to identify it and replace it? i'm going with the rules of the race at Thunder Road in "Grease." "the rules are there are no rules." f-n pears, just cuz i'm shaped like one doesn't mean i have to like them
TNVol-in-TX Professional Champion
# 11 6/24/2011 2:25:15 PM
I'm with you guys on this one. Kill the snake, move the pear, drink the beer, throw the can at the squirrel and put me down for a five! Love it... BTW.. I found some of your friends while I was in ANC...

Brian Watson

Professional Champion

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I have found under rule 23-1 that no relief can be taken if the loose impediment lies in a bunker al la 23/3. So if I read this if the ball lies in front of a beer can in the bunker the beer can be moved since it is man made.

23/3 Half-Eaten Pear
Q. A half-eaten pear lies directly in front of a ball in a bunker and there is no pear tree in the vicinity of the bunker. In the circumstances, is the pear an obstruction rather than a loose impediment, in which case the player could remove it without penalty?

A. No. A pear is a natural object. When detached from a tree it is a loose impediment. The fact that a pear has been half-eaten and there is no pear tree in the vicinity does not alter the status of the pear.

dday39

Professional Champion

# 1 6/24/2011 7:05:25 AM

by that logic then, a beer can is not a natural object, and you could move it. However, if it was a goose turd....

armygrunt47

Professional Champion

# 2 6/24/2011 7:48:39 AM

The can is trash so it can be removed.

MikeNomgi

Professional Champion

# 3 6/24/2011 7:48:50 AM

"The fact that a pear has been half-eaten and there is no pear tree in the vicinity does not alter the status of the pear."

Wouldn't you love to alter the status of the neck of the guy who wrote that?

armygrunt47

Professional Champion

# 4 6/24/2011 7:56:12 AM

"The fact that a pear has been half-eaten and there is no pear tree in the vicinity does not alter the status of the pear."

Wouldn't you love to alter the status of the neck of the guy who wrote that?

Thats funny. I have an old rules book from the early 80s and they use this an the example expanation in it.

Brian Watson

Professional Champion

# 5 6/24/2011 8:04:32 AM

I got the pear thing from the USGA Rules web below that talked about a dead land crab. cant move that either.

Slicer_1

Professional Champion

# 6 6/24/2011 8:44:40 AM

One would think that once a bite is taken out of the pear it then becomes trash and should be able to be removed. Man golf has some dumb rules.

greenjacket13

Legend

# 7 6/24/2011 9:25:25 AM

screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course and it shouldn't have been left in the bunker in the first place. etiquette is just as important. the bunkers should be free of crap and raked after someone exits.

MikeNomgi

Professional Champion

# 8 6/24/2011 9:58:33 AM

screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course and it shouldn't have been left in the bunker in the first place. etiquette is just as important. the bunkers should be free of crap and raked after someone exits.

"screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course"

Thank goodness for men like Billy. Always looking out for what's best for Humankind. If I lived near him, I'd try and get the tee time right behind him so I'd never encounter a half-eaten pear in a bunker. :)

OtterMan08

Legend

# 9 6/24/2011 11:27:52 AM

There be some very twisted logic here. In the next section we learn that a banana peel is a loose impediment. How this differs substantially from a half eaten pear escapes me. How is the banana peel any less natural than the pear? What if the banana is only half eaten? What if the pear is fully eaten, leaving just the core? Is an intact uneaten banana a natural object?

Then there's the whole snake vs. land crab debate. A dead snake is a loose impediment, a dead crab isn't. A live snake is an outside agency, what does that make a live crab? And what about squirrels? What if a live snake kills a squirrel while it's half way done eating a pear???

I'm with you guys on this one. Kill the snake, move the pear, drink the beer, throw the can at the squirrel and put me down for a five!

greenjacket13

Legend

# 10 6/24/2011 1:51:43 PM

screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course and it shouldn't have been left in the bunker in the first place. etiquette is just as important. the bunkers should be free of crap and raked after someone exits.

"screw that. if i see a half eaten pear in the bunker i'm picking it up for the good of the course"

Thank goodness for men like Billy. Always looking out for what's best for Humankind. If I lived near him, I'd try and get the tee time right behind him so I'd never encounter a half-eaten pear in a bunker. :)

i'm pretty obsessive about course maintenance. too funny, Mike. what if i'm not sure that it's my pear? can i pick it up to identify it and replace it? i'm going with the rules of the race at Thunder Road in "Grease." "the rules are there are no rules." f-n pears, just cuz i'm shaped like one doesn't mean i have to like them

TNVol-in-TX

Professional Champion

# 11 6/24/2011 2:25:15 PM

I'm with you guys on this one. Kill the snake, move the pear, drink the beer, throw the can at the squirrel and put me down for a five!

Love it... BTW.. I found some of your friends while I was in ANC...

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