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Need Tips on Backswing
Timothyjack
Professional Champion
 
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I just came back from the driving range and am a bit frustrated. Thought I would ask for some help. Whats the best way to shorten a backswing? I am finding it very hard to do. My backswing goes way past parallel and my right arm separates from my body. This throws my timing way off and i am constantly over the top and fading the ball to the right. Sometimes I hit perfectly strait but it is just so inconsistant and I find that i can not control which one I get.

As you can see from the photo I am past parrallel and my right arm has separated from my body. Any thoughts, drills or swing thoughts?
LindseyM
Legend
 
# 1    6/24/2010 11:03:02 PM   
Try to keep a towel under your arms during your swing so not to drop the towel; its to keep your arms in sync and help prevent the right elbow from flying away from the body.
So I've heard this helps...good luck


withers40
LowIndex
 
# 2    6/24/2010 11:15:39 PM   
Two things that work together to help prevent going past parallel are keeping your right knee flexed throughout the swing and, in turn, restricting your hip turn. Hard to be sure from one picture, but it looks to me like maintaning knee flex will solve the too-much-turn in the backswing, and also help you maintain your spine angle. It looks like you're very upright in the picture, which makes me think you've probably lifted your spine angle slightly from your setup position. Just a gues though, good luck!


dday39
Professional Champion
 
# 3    6/25/2010 7:00:35 AM   
there's nothing wrong with a slightly straight back leg. check out the PGA Tour and you'll see this more and more (Tim Clark, Sean O'Hair, etc). Backswing length and swing length is probably more mental than anything else. Here some things to help:

Think 3/4 swing. What most of us think is only 3/4, is a good full turn.
Maintain some pressure between your left bicep and your upper torso throughout.
A good drill for this is to pinch a tee under each armpit and hit some shots. If the tees stayed in, you kept the pressure points.


dday39
Professional Champion
 
# 4    6/25/2010 8:09:29 AM   
one thing I noticed in the attached image is that your left wrist is cupped. that will cause the club to go across the line also


HIGH_LANDER
Legend
 
# 5    6/25/2010 8:54:40 AM   
Here's a tip. there is a training aid,it's a Strap that wraps around your chest,and all you do is slid your arms ,underneath,keeps your arms close too your body during the swing.Also,Irmonroe,is right about the towel,that can will help.also,when you have a chance,check out your right arm,is it set at 90 deg. or is it a V angel? Great looking swing.


Timothyjack
Professional Champion
 
# 6    6/25/2010 9:54:19 AM   
These are all good tips. I will have to do some drills before my round today. These are the swing thoughts that I am walking away with.

Maintain some pressure between my left bicep and my upper torso
Try not to cup my left wrist
Think 3/4 swing

If I am still separating after some practice and a few rounds, I will try the next step of modifying my grip. I hope this does the trick.

Thanks for the input. Ill let you know how today turns out.


dday39
Professional Champion
 
# 7    6/25/2010 10:01:30 AM   
just remember, you're trying to create clubhead speed not arm speed. that and hitting the ball on the sweetspot are keys to hitting it long and straight


Timothyjack
Professional Champion
 
# 8    6/26/2010 1:21:12 PM   
Once I get a chance I will post up some videos of my swing so you gusy can see what I am doing. That way you can see everything.


Timothyjack
Professional Champion
 
# 9    6/27/2010 2:29:16 PM   
Thanks for all the tips guys. Some of your tips helped. I didn't shoot my best game with the tips. Shot a 98, but I did have 2 drives over 320 and they were perfectly straight and my irons were long and straight as well. I had a shortened swing thought and it helped. I actually hit it farther with it. I forgot a few times and went over the top and to the right into the trees. Its hard to remember everything. I did realize a few things and I can even see it in my picture. I am pretty straight up in the image. When I set up I set up perfectly straight up and leaned forward. I have no spine angle lean to the right. So when I swing, I am swinging around the incorrect axis which is making me go over the top. I need to really force that spine angle and get inta a Reverse K position. Its another thing I forget about after playing and changing my swing so much. I feel like I may be on the right track. And I have said that to myself before. Hopefully this time is sticks.


Mark Simmons
Legend
 
# 10    6/27/2010 5:24:41 PM   
Timothy, I think you are on the right track, but be careful not to try to make too many changes at once. What I noticed from your photo and description confirms some of what you've discovered. Specifically...

...the picture you posted seems to show your right foot flared at about 45 degrees, your back leg straightened and an upright spine angle--all of which would lead to the past vertical back swing you are experiencing.

...At setup make sure your right foot isn't flared out, both knees are flexed, your butt is pushed out, and you have a slight spine tilt away from the target.

...Then on your back swing make sure you maintain your spine angle. Think rotating around your spine.

If you set up as described and simply rotate around your spine, you should experience no up and down bobbing of the head and little to no lateral movement of your head during the back swing. It will also feel much more restrictive than the swing you've been using. That's how you'll know you are doing it right.

This will give you a proper coil and loading around the back leg. You'll feel this resistance much earlier in your back swing and may find you don't even reach parallel! That's because before your flared right foot and fairly straight right leg REQUIRED you to go past parallel before you experienced any significant resistance.

It will take some time to feel comfortable with these changes, but eventually this shorter swing will give you the consistency you're seeking.


Timothyjack
Professional Champion
 
# 11    6/27/2010 6:21:06 PM   

Timothy, I think you are on the right track, but be careful not to try to make too many changes at once. What I noticed from your photo and description confirms some of what you've discovered. Specifically...

...the picture you posted seems to show your right foot flared at about 45 degrees, your back leg straightened and an upright spine angle--all of which would lead to the past vertical back swing you are experiencing.

...At setup make sure your right foot isn't flared out, both knees are flexed, your butt is pushed out, and you have a slight spine tilt away from the target.

...Then on your back swing make sure you maintain your spine angle. Think rotating around your spine.

If you set up as described and simply rotate around your spine, you should experience no up and down bobbing of the head and little to no lateral movement of your head during the back swing. It will also feel much more restrictive than the swing you've been using. That's how you'll know you are doing it right.

This will give you a proper coil and loading around the back leg. You'll feel this resistance much earlier in your back swing and may find you don't even reach parallel! That's because before your flared right foot and fairly straight right leg REQUIRED you to go past parallel before you experienced any significant resistance.

It will take some time to feel comfortable with these changes, but eventually this shorter swing will give you the consistency you're seeking.


Thanks Mark. I completely agree. I am going to work on getting setup properly from now on and try to get this feeling ingrained in my swing. I can definitely see lower scores in the future.


dewsweeper
Legend
 
# 12    7/12/2010 9:28:39 AM   
Your right arm could not possibly be sticked to your rib at the top of the swing.
Understood that, this is the way to check your hand position.

Grip the club as you normally would, raise the club and rest the shaft on your right shoulder ( over the right acromion )relax the arms just like you would rest a baseball bat over your right shoulder.
Take a golf stance then turn the body ( with the shaft resting on the shoulder ).
Stop the turn when the shaft is parallel to the target line.

Now raise your arms from the resting position keeping the shaft parallel to the target line.

You could check this position in the bathroom mirror, with a shorted stick or a rolled up newspaper.


bmoody16
Professional Champion
 
# 13    7/12/2010 12:32:31 PM   
Looks to me like you are not keeping your wrist straight (almost like you are trying to get past parallel). ON THE RANGE try squeezing the left thumb with the right palm on the backswing. This will keep you wide, and might keep your wrist straighter. It will result in better contact too.

You might try bowing your wrist a little. It looks like you are letting your knuckles roll inward at the top, They really should probably go the other direction (if not straight).

Your address position looks a little bit upright to me as well. If you get more bend from hip to shoulder and from hip to knee it could flatten your swing just a tad (and keep your right side connected). Notice guys like Tiger. Their angels from hip to shoulder and hip to knee are much greater than yours. This gives more power and puts you in more ideal positions. In the photo you are just slightly above the swing plane at the top. It think it has more to do with your address position than your back swing.

Shortening your backswing: Imagine you are going to 10.5 on a clock, rather than 12. You will soon see that 10.5 puts you at parallel, and provides all the power you need.